Anii and Conor Kelly


Thank you for listening to Seven Million Bikes of Vietnam podcast. We share the stories of people connected to Vietnam. My name is Annie, and I'm your host today? I been living in Vietnam in 2017. My parents are Vietnamese, but I grew up and I was born in Hungary. This is an exciting moment for me to be featured on a Vietnam podcast as a guest host.

Today, I've got someone really special, a podcaster, a teacher, a journalism graduate, and he has over 350, almost 400 episodes on his podcast and he just started a year ago. So welcome Connor Kelly. Hi Connor. How

Conor Kelly00:50

are you? I'm very


excited for this. I'm excited to today, we will talk about mental health, self development and overcoming challenges, and I'm pretty sure you got a lot to share and the most important and the most wanted one for me is getting things done.

I love getting things done. So yeah, let's start. So Connor, can you introduce a little bit about your.

Conor Kelly01:14

Yeah, sure. I guess to start with really I'm from the UK initially, despite being born in the Netherlands, Irish possible. So there's a, there's a few mixes, but I grew up primarily in England from the ages of three, until 20 to 21, actually just about, and then it got to July 20, 19, July the 30th, and I made my move to Vietnam and it was just going to be an eight month thing, you know, spending eight months abroad and trying to discover something.

And it's not sending to almost three years going on four. So it's been a wild journey, but that's how this all turns.


That is amazing. And I just want to know like why Vietnam? I mean, it could have been Bali, it could have been the Netherlands, if you were born there. So , what brought you to Vietnam?

Conor Kelly01:55

To be honest with you, I was doing a TEFL course to teach English abroad and went on the website and I had no direction. All I wanted was a completely foreign, different environment. So the first place that was going to give me an opportunity. I would take it if they gave me accommodation because moving abroad for the first time I wanted a house, I wanted something that would make me settle.

I made the process much easier. So Vietnam was the first place to pop up, gave me the job, gave me the accommodation I researched for about two minutes and thought, yeah, why don't I just get this done? Why don't I just take the first country that comes up? Vietnam sounds fine. Let's go. And the rest is history.

Suddenly I booked the flight and knew her as my documents and yeah, July, 2019.


That is amazing. You know what, it's really motivating for someone who might have not made that move in their life. And just to cite, like to go back a little bit, like what triggered you to kind of like explore a very new environment?

Conor Kelly02:53

That's a good question. I think I'll have to give my dad a shower because I might've told you he does 15 countries a year. I would say. He travels extensively. And so therefore I've always had that influence that the world is huge, genuinely huge, go and explore it. And I remember throughout high school thinking if I want to achieve something, it's got to be to live abroad and live in a different environment and really test myself.

And so I thought I'm 21. Now I have no responsibilities, no pressure. This is the perfect time. And if I don't actually do it now, I could be 10 years in the future still wishing I made that move rather than just effing doing it. I don't know if you can swear on here. So I'll say that rather than just bloody doing it and getting it done.

So it wasn't as easy as that. I had a lot of challenges, many mental to overcome before doing it, but once I realized it was the best route possible. That was the avenue I took and yeah, I ended up just applying, exploring, and Vietnam came into the equation. Hey, we all, that's


cool. I hope all the listeners are getting inspired by this story, even though it's just like the first 10 minutes of the podcast.

And I just wanna, help the audience understand, like, how did you go from journalism to podcasting because Shared with us at the beginning of the podcast that you are journalism graduates, and we know that you have a lot of podcasts episodes going on, on comeback. So yeah.


Conor Kelly04:19

us about that. How did journalism go into podcasts? Exactly. I think that very linked. I think you can definitely interlinked that too. Where a journalist, I guess a traditional journalism interview will be to find somebody find out what they do, why they do it, share that piece on it, et cetera.

Podcasting is basically the same. The key difference is that if you're a journalist, you're generally trying to get a certain angle like your corporation or whoever you work for will want you to get a soundbite or a certain piece out of the interviewee where say, you would want them to say something controversial, then you get clicks, then you get things.

So I interview, let's say X. He says, I don't like my ex-wife. That you go, you've got your soundbite. You only have seven minutes. So you're almost trying to prod and provoke and try and get reaction. A podcast is, say an hour, two hours, however long you want it to be talking about whatever you like. So it's a more, it's a more in-depth and a more authentic method of getting that conversation out of them.

So I think that can be linked to be honest with you and from studying journalism, even though I didn't study very well. Probably an example of how not to do a journalism degree in terms of my attendance and my university experience was a bit crazy, which I'm sure we'll go on onto, but I had that background.

I had that knowledge. I had that insight into how to do an interview, what to say, what to do. I had that interest. So podcasting was almost second nature. And I remember after a few months or a year in Vietnam, again, I'm probably answering a future question, being a huge loose end, kind of. Why is up and realize what should I actually be doing when I have all the capability?

The only thing, holding it back is me. Let's just go for it. So that's, I felt like journalism and PodcastOne were very linked. I feel like it's a very natural progression for me to follow.


That's amazing Connor. I just love how driven you've become over the, the story and To really, even though we said, and I repeat, like, you are not the best students in journalism, you still made something out of it.

And you created something so unique and I am madly impressed how driven you are when it comes to podcasting as a friend of yours and also the outsider. And yeah, please tell me about like the whole comeback. What is the name? I know CK is Carter Kelly, everyone, but please tell us more like why come back?

Conor Kelly06:39

I think the ethos around combat was that I had to make a couple of comebacks in my own life. For example, I remember sometimes thinking one mainly when I was 19 at uni, my second year when shit hit the fan. So I can't say it better phrase when I really wasn't doing so well and probably the start of my second year in Vietnam after I'd done a year here—being really lost and I'm not talking just slightly lost on the sat-nav and needing to turn left. I'm talking middle of the desert, absolutely nowhere and not having any direction where or what anything is and realizing I need to seriously wake up because if I don't wake up, this could turn really nasty really soon.

So I need to seriously wise up. So in doing that, I think. I come is great. We all love a comeback, whether it be a movie, whether it be a sporting story, whether it be a book we're always looking for that factor of someone is down, someone's really struggling. And then they come back. So that's why I thought were, we've all faced that almost everyone you meet, if not everyone will have faced some kind of challenge that they had to come back from.

And when I was really settling on this project, it was 22. COVID everyone has to come back from COVID whether it affected you slightly or whether it affected you as in you lost your house and everything else, you will have. This can apply to almost everyone. And I don't have a niche with the people I interview because I don't want to be drawn in a specific angle where I have to disqualify loads of people.

I would talk to anyone from any culture, background, race, religion, age, whatever, just because I find so many people interesting. So that's why I thought everyone, if I can choose like a niche that can include both my name. So CK can include a certain theme, like coming back from adversity. What can include everyone and I'm talking everyone, this would be the one coming back from adversity, the comeback.

So that's why I did


it. That's come back. I love it. Like the whole brand story that you have is amazing. I just love to how inclusive you are. Is that from a marketer's perspective, like I have to think with topics and niche all the time, but looking at your podcast is that like everyone is included.

Yeah. It's really rare to see something like this nowadays, because everybody's niching down, everybody's like targeting another person or like a very specific group of people and yeah. And the whole story of like coming back from and the diversity that, that is really deep. So could you share like one of the more significant comebacks that you had personally?

Conor Kelly09:12

Here we go.

I'd say when it was 1980 my second year, a lot of things were just out of control where I really felt like there was nothing I could ever do to make this situation. I had better. I had quite bad anxiety and depression. I wasn't eating well. I wasn't sleeping well. And I genuinely thought I am fucked.

I'm screwed. And I can't see myself coming back here. So I got heavily suicidal was genuinely like counting down for weeks and weeks thinking, right. This. Can't live anymore and blah, blah, blah. Kind of told those around me who didn't really like that factor. Of course, that goodness. And upon hindsight, I wasn't thinking straight because I was in this real nut really neolistic mindset, which looking back, I mean, I kind of.

Occasionally. I felt embarrassed because I thought, whoa, how did it get that bad? But now I look from a different perspective and think it got that bad. And you came back like, unfortunately, some people don't come back from that. The second one is probably the start of my second year in Vietnam, let's go back to October, November, 2020.

I remember thinking I'm in this huge, fast, vibrant, bustling, fun city. I've got nothing to do because I'm not putting myself out there. I don't know who to turn. I'm completely lost. There's a pandemic going on. What am I doing? I know I'm better than this, but I'm not showing it what the fuck is going on.

And, you know, to be honest, what I had to do is really on both occasions, put the mirror on myself and think, okay, what is causing this? Now? A lot of it is probably like deep rooted depression and anxiety, not my fault, but it's my responsible. Regardless of, you know, I can blame the fact that it's a chemical imbalance.

So the fact it's genetic, whatever, whatever the actual reason is, it probably doesn't matter. I was focusing more on why rather than, well, how can you fix it? It's almost like for example, your house is burning down and you just sit there thinking, oh, well, why did it go not room and why not that room rather than just getting.

Extinguishing it out. So I had to make that adjustment and to do that, I had to think, right, what will make me come up with this situation? What can I actually actively do to do this? And so I looked at my lifestyle. I looked at who, in both situations, I was around, I looked at what I was doing. I looked at what content I was consuming and I really turned it and thought, am I giving myself the best fighting chance on both occasions?

Am I eating well, am I exercising? Well, am I doing the right things that will benefit me both creatively, professionally, et cetera. And both answers were very, very hard. I mean, they were really like sobering when I had turned the mirror up and thought, oh, I am really not good. Do myself justice. And then it hit me.

If I continue this trajectory, the next two or three years will still be the same. That will be absolutely nothing to show for it. And my biggest fear was coming to this. Experience in this new culture and going home in three years and realizing I didn't actually do anything. And like that really hit me that if I carry on my Vietnam, I probably couldn't call it a success.

So I need to make some kind of impact. So that on both occasions, I really had to channel that kind of inner spirit and really work out what was driving me and what could help me now. People had helped me along the way. I've been very lucky. I've had a lot of kind influences by did have to hold it up and think I'm the only one who's going to really change this.

Let's get to it. And it wasn't quite as, I guess, easy as I'm making it out now, I'm giving it the Hollywood ending of I realized I was screwed. Just came back. There was a lot of peaks and troughs along that combat journey. It was a very, very, very bumpy road both times, but I don't think I'd change it. I really don't.

I think with the lessons that trajectory, the amount of things that happened in between, I think it was necessary. And I don't want to do that again. So I think I've learned the lessons that I think it's a mistake is only a mistake if it's not repeated twice. So if I've done the hard work and made the comebacks, now I've got more of an awareness of what will work for me, in what way?

So that's where it's going to go. But then my main from


books that is amazing. And just to like recap to some people listening here is that it's only, you can change it. I just love how you've have come back from situations. And we touched, you mentioned depression, anxiety, something that almost all listeners and myself included relate to, and we will go back And elaborate more on those two topics.

Again, I just want to like, restate, like how inspiring it is to like, Be in such a hard situation and you could still like turn a mirror and say like, well, what the hell am I doing? And when you mentioned like lifestyle changes, diet and exercise and the content you're consuming.

And I think for our listeners, it would be great if you can like break it down and then help people to kind of turn their mirror too, because sometimes we are all in like rough patch. And my question is that, what did you start with first? Like, so we are in this really hard situation.

I mean, I went through hard things too, and some of our listeners probably did. What was the first thing that you changed? That, that you'd be like running out from the burning house or just picking things up? What what were the first thing that you.

Conor Kelly14:25

That is a very good question. And I don't think anyone's ever asked me about the very first thing I did include back.

So I'm delighted. You have, I think university, it was speak to people and just be completely open. So I knew that this is my responsibility. Everyone is aware of this. Now let me actually have those conversations, whether it be Hey mate, I'm not coming up tonight. Not because I used to make excuses. So if I wasn't going out on a night out it was someone's birthday tomorrow, or it was this event I've made.

I just say, I need Ms so much better. Cause I was honest, a honest and be open and upfront, I'd say, yep. Can't come up today. Struggling with depression. I'll be all right. Tomorrow. I thought, well, that's quite liberating. There was that. And I remember the Vietnam war and I just thought back to basics, like trying foods that you haven't done before.

Read a book that you haven't done before go to sleep at a normal time. Try something every day that you wouldn't usually do. Now. I know that sounds weird because say, for example, if you've never tried. Thai food. And you tried Thai food. That's gonna solve your problems. No, it won't, but it's a small step.

It's a novelty. So you're almost changing your brain chemistry when you do the same thing over and over and over your brain almost repeats it on habit. And you realize, for example, from a depressed point of view, you just become even more depressed day after day. Whilst if you do little things to give yourself evidence and belief that you can actually make sure.

That's the key. So I remember going to bed really early for the first couple of weeks, and I'm talking like 9:00 PM genuinely going back to like when I was a child and doing my stretches, drinking herbal tea, going to the gym every single day. And I was almost living like a monk. Like I was away from the stuff I would usually do, but I thought let's just give this a try.

It's about three weeks in my life. Let's go for it. I mean, if there's a social event, Just miss this one. It's fine. Like I used to always be triggered by the external. I don't have huge, I hate this word, but FOMO. So I'd go to every single event just because I didn't want to miss out when a lot of them were forgettable.

A lot of them I really could have done with missing out on. And so it was a bit more, it taught me to be a bit more selective with who I spend my time with what I do, et cetera. So in the short way of answering your question, which. Is try something different every day and really focus on the small things.

For example, if you're struggling with depression, like of course it would be probably silly of me to say that in the first two weeks, if you focus on getting up an hour earlier or drinking a cup of tea a day, like people think that can't be the magic cure. If you do the small things over and over again, they become the magic because they all compiled together.

So I'd say from me, what I did, which I think really helped was try new things, which led me on. Better and bigger things which were new, like podcasting and also focus on the small things. Cause they really do Mensa.


I love this. As I always say too on my socials is consistency is key and. Even though, like try new things.

Yeah, it is great. And I love how you simplify, like trying new things is not always like, oh, moving to another continent or another country, but like, you know, getting a different type of food that night or going to bed like three hours earlier. I think these small, new things can also like co should also excite people.

Right? Yeah. Actually I want to try food now or do something just kidding. But yeah, I really admire that too. And the first point is communication. Like, I just really, really love how you started off with communication too. Like trying out things is great, but communicating to your surroundings, what your needs are, it's like setting the boundaries, right?

So. For people who might struggling or just feel like they are doing too much sometimes like saying, you know, it's it, it's very helpful. Yeah. So we started off with your story when you were 19 and also being in Vietnam. And now we've talked about some of the low, how about, we've mentioned some of the high, so now we are coming back, but now we are shooting up to the sky.

Please share with me or with us. One of the coolest stories you have in Vietnam or Saigon, I'm pretty sure you

Conor Kelly18:43

have money. I think I have many, none are coming to mind, as you mentioned the coolest story aside


from meeting me, obviously

Conor Kelly18:51

that goes without saying is that for that interview interview 3 51?

I think that was what it was. My coolest Vietnam story. To be honest with you. I don't, I usually hate like the funniest or the coolest, cause I think this has to be credibly. Cool. You know, when someone says to you, what's the funniest thing you've ever heard. I always think this is going to be shared.

So I'm kind of thinking that now with the coolest I don't let's niche it a bit, so like, cool. Is it, and most


memorable, I guess that's kind of changed something in you or like it's surprise you.

Conor Kelly19:24

Most memorable, I guess I've got one for cool. I kind of have more of a cool quote, unquote, I don't know if this is cool.

It was just fun. So I'll just say it. It doesn't really relate to Vietnam specifically. It does actually. It involves Vietnam Christmas day, 2019. I saw your basic Christmas. Fuck the people I was living with, we lived in like an apartment complex and it was. Christmas home away from home, my first Christmas abroad.

And so I was a bit nervous about it because I quite like Christmas if you were away. And yeah, I was, I was living the whole day. Yeah. I had a few beers quote, unquote old day played some music, played some games and then at midnight. So I think 24 hours after I'd stopped, after I'd started partying my brother's game and they were on their way from Manchester stopped off somewhere, ended up in Hershey, man.

So I'd lost my glasses because I used to wear glasses at that point. And I go to the airport with my friend and I literally thought. I, I couldn't see them. So I said to my friend, I said, if you see a guy with blonde hair and a guy with ginger, it's probably them because I can't see. So I'm just there.

And people are coming from arrivals. I'm not gonna act. Scooby-Doo literally clueless. So I just said, if you see a ginger guy and a blonde guy pointing them out, it's probably my brothers. And then he went, there's a ginger guy and a blonde guy there after about 20 minutes. So I walked over and it took them until they were about where you are to me now.

And I went, Hey, all right, guys. So yeah, met my brothers. But in the taxi, I bought a crate of beer. We had a party went back, carried on and yeah, I think it was just that moment of like combining a load of things abroad like Christmas, my family, friends, and we're friends home away from home or to. It was pretty sweet.

Cause that's, that's brilliant to mind spring, to mind. I mean, there's many there's many more, but I think this one combines a lot of the things that I enjoy. So like family Christmas friends. Perfect.


Yeah. Awesome. First Christmas abroad is always scary for me too. When I was in the states experiencing Christmas for the first time outside of home, it's kinda scary too, but also weird could be lonely, but I'm happy.

You know, your friends and heal glass and lost

Conor Kelly21:27

to glasses. Thank God I had laser


eye. Exactly. All right. That's, that's really fun. And how do you think about, you know, living in Vietnam as an ex-pat, like is it fun or how do you find community

Conor Kelly21:38

here? I think it's fun and I think it is fun.

Wide ranging and it is vast, but it's important to try and get out a bit more. Like I realized at certain points, I'd be with the same individual, the same five or six people. I thought there are so many people from all over the world here. I guess I'm looking with my podcasting that I get to meet all of these characters, but there's so much going on.

I mean, like there's people who do acting there's people who do comedy nights, there's people that do music nights. There's people who do sports. There's people that go hiking there's so much. Unlike, for example, your small town at home, you can see so many different groups and communities like really go for it and really try and find them.

That's one of the biggest probably if I had to name the top five things that I've really loved, I've done in Vietnam. So. Things that I've done, that I'm really proud of. It would be immersing with different groups, different people who I otherwise wouldn't mix with. So I think there's such a wide range in community here in Saigon.

You can't really find a tribe and you can find so many cool people. If you have the.


That's true. And finding courage is, is sometimes the scariest part wise. Just suck it up and do it. Yeah. And your podcasting. I love again the combat podcast is talking to a lot of people from almost every, like almost all backgrounds, but it's still in English.

So do you have anyone like fully Vietnamese coming to the show and it's talking in English,

Conor Kelly23:01

I've had a few Vietnamese. It's only English speaking of course, but yeah, I've had some people in Vietnamese. Yeah. I realized after 90 episodes, I only had two locals and that's the only time where it's hit me about the diversity of guests.

I thought I need to improve this. So since then I've had some more Vietnamese guests. Then I actually had someone we both know on at 12 today who I will tell you after the show. Oh, Vietnamese. And so. Yeah. Some of them your test semesters. So yeah. I've had quite a few Vietnamese guests, which I like, I like sharing that because it's an primarily an expert podcast because it's English speaking.

I live in Vietnam. It's important. I interviewed Vietnamese. I remember being in, we walk after I'd done 70 episodes. and I Was talking with some and friends and I spoke to a Japanese lady and said, oh, I've never had a Japanese guest. I have a 50 nationalities, no Japanese that someone went, how many females? Oh, that's bad



I live in Vietnam at school. And how do you find the culture here in Vietnam compared to England? Wild.

Conor Kelly24:01

Wow. So different. I mean, if we look outside, the funder is absolutely


crazy. We are not allowed to talk about. Just kidding. It's it's where it's worn in the old day later.

Conor Kelly24:10

Yeah, so I basically think Saigon is a very, it's a very wild place, but you can find so many different things in terms of the food scene, in terms of the drink scene.

There's a lot of weird stuff going on in a good way. It's like, there's like weird cafes that you wouldn't expect with bars. Like weird, like meet ups and it can all be


pretty fun. Yeah, that's true. We actually met on the creative networking for creatives event, right. But I know other than your main host, Neo MCI uh,, yeah, it's a great event.

I been going through a networking events and are amazing. Like I also just started networking and I mean, we just got out from the whole lockdown thing a year ago. Right. So yeah, that's working. Is it amazing?

Conor Kelly24:57

Is your net worth?


Exactly, exactly. But I still. I don't know, it's, it's hard to balance, right? Like when it comes to, again we mentioned we're going to talk about productivity, which is one of my favorite topics to be productive is it's sometimes hard to find a balance between networking and getting things done.

Because like, when you go networking fine, like you meet a lot of people and then there's a potential to grow either in a business wise or like your friendships or just, you know, not worth, I don't know. But again, like we also have our work, we have our hobbies and passions and, and for you, you have your podcasting and doing a podcast is, is not an easy thing.

So, so how do you keep all this balance? Like you work as a teacher, you a podcaster and you also know bunch of people through networking, like how they do it.

Conor Kelly25:48

I think realizing I can only juggle a certain amount of balls. So for example, The podcast I'll have the teaching, I'll have the social side of things and any other hobbies I want to do.

And I've not quite got it as, as, as good as I would have wanted to, to be honest with you, I think in the next year or so, I'll probably work on a bit more balance, but I think I've got it fairly good. I mean, I'm, I'm not. I'm not too dissatisfied with it. I'd say how I balance it is. I know when to say no where, for example, and I mean this in the most polite and positive way possible, if there are people that I'm just not aligned with, I like the perfectly fine.

We like each other, but we're not aligned. And we know that there's nothing really going. It's only meeting up for pleasantries or just, Hey, how are you? Good and small towns. I say no to a lot of that, because I know it doesn't suit me. I've had to like, be very selective of where I spend my time, where I, for example, if I'm doing a certain amount of podcasts and working a certain amount of hours, teaching classes a week, I only have say seven or eight chips in terms of like hours for socializing.

Right. And if I spend one of them where I really don't want to. It's a waste of time where I could be doing something else and I, without falling into the trap of, I need to be perfect with my time. But no, if you actually know, for example, if the, somebody, this often applies in relationships and dating,


tell me about

Conor Kelly27:06


If there's like someone to you. You're getting on well with, but you know, it's only a, like say 20, 30% it's surface level. And you know, it's probably not going to get any deeper to the point where you would like to end it because it takes away time from what matters. And I remember seeing a sun time or starting an hourglass where it's showing the sun of your time ticking away and thinking, yeah, if I waste this time on these small talks and coffee shops that I don't want to be in eating food, that I don't want to eat, spending time with people that it just doesn't really work, then just.

So I'm pretty good at now learning when to say no and learning when to leave this, whether this be the party, the job, or.


That is amazing. Especially when you use the metaphor of like using our time as chips and then allocating them based on what matters to us. I think it's a huge takeaway. Like many of us don't realize that time is, is, is just passing by it never going to stop.

And I think you're really great at setting boundaries. Or maybe death was one of the first thing you did to come back from all the depression and anxiety episodes. Right. And to, to set boundaries and to really know what you want. Think it's, it's really like

Conor Kelly28:19

advanced. Yeah. I would say I agree. Like, I think it's important just to know that that doesn't have to be like a big fallout, but if it's not going to work, just set that boundary.

And I think like the people that I spend time with are aware of this, that I like to do my creative hobbies. I like to spend time by myself. They generally accept that. And if people don't, if people are more like, oh, well, I would rather you do this and this and this, because it would benefit me. I'm sorry.

I can't get on board with that. I don't want to necessarily think it's selfish and I don't even think the word selfish is a bad thing. I think you should look out for yourself all the time. So I think I am pretty good or have definitely improved. I've definitely improved setting these boundaries. And I also have a, I don't have any too many pet peeves, but I don't like listening to.

Especially when these complaints are avoidable. So if I'm in a coffee shop and somebody is like, oh, well, I went out with X and she said this, and then we have to go to this on Friday. And this you don't have to, I remember actually saying to someone once you don't have to tell them no, but then they will do this.

We'll tell them no. If you're genuinely going to lose peace of mind, happiness, joy time from doing it, say no, take the fall up. Just say no, and don't do it. And, oh, well, no book book. And then two weeks later it was the same. About the same person. Didn't take my advice. It was just complaining for the sake of it.

And I can't deal with that. I really can't. So I been setting boundaries and learning.


I think that's also one of the red flags when it comes to like assessing people around you. Right. And yeah, I learned something new today. I'm also prone to have a pet peeve, I don't want people around me to complain because that's kind of affects my mood too.

I started complaining too, and it's very easy to just start complaining. Yeah, it's a great takeaway things, Connor, like if people complain around you a lot, that's a red flag, everyone. So yeah. Productivity tip more and more. I want more productivity. I want to see like, how is Connor's dates look like?

Because we only have 24 chips a day. So, how do you allocate them?

Conor Kelly30:18

I look at the most important things first and foremost. So I look at, for example, I have to take care of myself, like physically, mentally. So I have to do something to do that. And I can't neglect that in favor of podcasts. So it's almost like I will do.

Because I know that they will benefit me, then I'll do like my podcasts or my reading or my writing or anything else. So I do wake up quite early, to be honest with you. And I don't want to say I'm one of those people who's up at five and stretching and doing that by Jen to get up about six, even on school days.

And I'll get that workout in because it's essential. I noticed that if I don't like, for example, I don't have, time is not true. You do have time. It's what you make time for. So I will make the time to actually. I'll make the time for the good diet, I'll make the time for the meditation and I'll make the time for what matters.

So because I can be quite strict with it, I'll know what windows I have. So if I want to meet someone and say, if I know if I've had a busy week and I know next week, I need to have like a friendly interaction. I need to have a catch-up just to on stress, the wind I'll contact people in advance.

So I'll be like, Hey Annie, Wednesday 7:00 PM. So we know that that's the time. So I plan things in advance. Th they don't always go a plan of course, but I generally try and put it in a little blocks where at some points, I guess, natural with balance, you can overdo it. So sometimes I think I'm booked up every hour of this day.

What that from say 6:00 AM to 10:00 PM, but usually the balance has been okay. I think just planning in advance and knowing what you need. For example, some days I'll really need to do extra cardio because I'll be feeling a bit more lethargic and I'll need to run a bit more. Go for a swim or a walk some days, some weeks I'll need to get back on it with the podcasts, because I need that stimulation that it brings for me.

Sometimes I'll need more friendly interruptions to not had it for awhile. And I like soaking up interactions and energy with friends. I think just working out more what my needs are and really allocating them accordingly.


Yeah. I really love how you mentioned that. You can plan ahead, but also like stay flexible because I know many people who want to get on this, like, well, I'm going to be productive.

And then they just like over-planned themselves. And obviously get disappointed when the plan didn't work out. And I guess my suggestion is like to go slow and you know, one, they just focused on one highlights and then the more you do it, the more things you can plan more efficiently.

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