The Final Call to Action for the Next RIBA President - Meet our Candidates in the Last Hustings!
By Stephen Drew
May 7, 2022
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Stephen Drew00:03

It's Wednesday, get your boxing glove ready. We're going to be fight and fed talking. This is the call to action for a bit of change. If you've been following this campaign, you know what you're in for? And if you happen to be living under a rock, it's the call to action about the next three, but present.

So in 20 seconds, you've already got to deal with me for another 20 seconds and then we'll go live. We got everyone together. It's going to be fun. We're going to go deep a little bit, split the tone just enough, but get your, get your tea, ready? Get your beer or whatever. And we'll jump into it. And freestyle.

Hello everyone. And welcome to the live stream of the, well, it's not really the Architecture Social, cause this is actually the call to action about who's going to be the next Reaper president. And that's what we're all here for. And that's what we're all excited for. But just before we go into it, if you're joining us on this live stream, some people on LinkedIn had a few problems last time and it was actually more stable on YouTube.

So if so, if at any point you struggle with the live stream or you trigger the watch, check out our YouTube channel. So I can say that we've got one or two people joining us as well, but I'm just going to remind everyone what the purpose was before we introduce the guests. So this is all about the call to action that we put about the next Reba president, who needs to be representative of our members, people in the working force, people like you.

And I part two is part phrase, you name it, regular working, qualified architects. There's I think that's what you need to be at 60 people vote for you and you need to be qualified. And the other than that, you can run for the rape of presidency. So on that note, we've had some awesome workers, just like us who have kind of thrown their hat into the rag and I going forward.

And today, tonight, we're all going to talk about the campaign and we're going to learn a little bit more about these four fantastic individuals and you get the. To see if you resonate towards some of their thoughts and feelings. And if you think that person, I feel like they represent me well, you can vote for them in the next rebirth election.

So on that note, I'm not going to take up any more of the stage. I'm going to go around now and talk to everyone we've got here. So I've got one or two people in the Backroads is helping me here, which is Simian, but he's not one of the candidates for Simmons is going to be a help on that. And I can see that I'm going to bring Danny onto the stage.

Who's kind of in the mix there. And we've got the king of controversial, Instagram, FAF, trailblazer, um, architect, extra than there kind of pushing the boundaries, getting those difficult conversations going. We've got Charlie at the bottom here as well from FAFSA. Thank you Charlie, for being here. And we've got Danny as well in the background back, quite hiding down.

So all good on that note. Now I'm going to introduce. The full candidates. So I'll double check if there's an order here, probably should check that at the stop. So send me on, I'm just going to go round to, I can see on the screen here, but we've got Benjamin here over here. So Benjamin, do you want to say quickly, hello, introduce yourself.

Tell us about why you felt like you wanted to check your name into the ring. Yeah,

Benjamin Champion03:26

I, so I'm Ben, I'm a recently qualified architect have been an right. Yeah. Um, I am a part three champion at Westminster. I wa uh, practice working on data centers. Mostly I'm in the presence of putting together an event for the, on the festival of architecture.

Architects involved raising money for homelessness charities. And I chose to get involved because, you know, trying to improve things and not just sitting and complaining. And then this opportunity presented itself, like, yeah, sure. Let's give that a go because Reba is a bit out of touch, especially for us younger employed people as opposed to practice owners.

It seems. Uh, so yeah, let's give it again. See if we can try and improve

Stephen Drew04:25

things a bit. Excellent. And there you go. I turned you off the solar layout and this time I haven't kicked you off the live stream, so thank you. I'm not going to grill. But I really appreciate you being here. So next below me, we've got Henry Perry here.

So Henry is so good that you will cure this event. Do you want to introduce yourself and, um, put the solely layout and you can speak to the crowd about why you felt like you'd like to run to be the next REPA president.

Henry Pelly04:55

So, uh, my name's Henry I'm, I actually I'm, I'm an architect, but I work as a sustainability consultant.

And I mean, the reason I work as a sustainability consultant, it's pretty similar to the reasons, um, I kind of want to help reform the profession. So when I finished my part two and I was working out what was going to do next and which practice to go to, I was just looking for, you know, somewhere where I could redevelop my system.

Um, construction knowledge and actually that at the time, it didn't really exist in practice and it's starting to do this now, but if something that really, you know, the profession needs to develop, um, in a really deep way and across the board, it's not something for just some exemplar practices. It's for everybody to, to like understand what they can do to tackle the climate emergency.

And the other reason that I worked as a sustainability consultant is because I could then work for a practice that is, um, employee owned, um, and where everybody, after four to four years to become a partner and everybody has a really, um, central way in running their offices. So the office, so, you know, those opportunities, they exist in the built environment, but I felt like Architecture should be able to adopt those models.

And I think that Reba really has a role in terms of, um, basically pushing the profession to improve, um, the way that, uh, the work, their working practices and the way people do things.

Stephen Drew06:17

Brilliant. Brilliant. So thank you for that Henry I'll I'll remove you now. Sorry. I'm the camera man. Clicking around and I added tomorrow who joined this year.

Look why, so many of us it's the screen down, but that's all right. That's all good. So Henry, thank you so much for your introduction. We'd love

to meet. I think that's awesome and very timely with the way things are going. So, all right, I'll wait. I've got to continue to go around now and I can see so hand now, I guess the kind of reshuffled on my screen, but perhaps now if you're happy with it, I'll bring up the solar layout and you can tell us all about yourself, on why you wanted the one for this position.

Hannah Deacon07:00

Hi, so I'm Heidi Deakin. I qualified in 2019 and I've been working as a project architect ever since running multiple projects, including two on site at the moon. Uh, the state educated in Dorset, where I worked in a rural practice and then freelance and now in an urban practice in Oxford. So I have a sort of good experience of all of those different nuances about working in architecture in the UK.

Um, and my key ambitions, this sort of enforced practices to produce sustain, and we'll design a, their workers over time and sort of strengthen the role of the architect at the same time, so that we have a better control over the construction industry in terms of, um, quality of what's being built and the energy efficient.

Stephen Drew07:47

That's neat. Excellent. Sorry. That's perfect. That was brilliant. So now what I've learned live until you learn sometimes like, yeah. That if I want to move people off to the backstage, then I can do that, but then it kicks people off while they're talking. So Danny, who's joining us. I'm going to remove you from this stream.

I think. Let me try and do that now as go. Let's see if I can get you off the stream, Danny. If I kick you off, just join us in a second, but there we go. I might kick Danny off. Now. It seems like she's amazing. Send me, I'm going to try and remove you now and we're going to do that just before move around.

Okay, cool. So you still have back. Perfect. All right. So next I really appreciate that last but not least while you are, do you want to introduce yourself to everyone? And I will get the solo layout going. Hi

Muyiwa Oki08:43

everyone. Hi, my name is Moira Oki. I'm an architect. I work at mace I'm here because I want to see an unprecedented kind of Reba because we know that change is needed because we're in an unprecedented times.

The IPC remind me, reminded us very recently that less than a decade in less than a decade, we need a massive 50% reduction in carbon emissions to avoid climate disaster. And as a professional, I take warnings like this seriously. Um, I think the rebar needs unprecedented change because us as the community, if you will, should have more impact in champion and architects, students and the environment, because for too long, the Reaper presidency has been the Rite of passage for established individuals.

Which we call in the status quo. And throughout my career, I have been committed to dismantling barriers and challenging the status quo in my previous practice as the chair and founder of the multi ethnic group and allies network, um, involved in social mobility foundations, and also collaboration with the VBA on different issues relating to diversity and leadership.

I believe that Reba needs to be more impactful and to do that. It needs to make changes and the changes needs to include empowering worker, enabling collaboration and creating a sense of belonging. So, yeah, that's, that's sort of my manifesto, um, and, uh, the Rebbe presidency, which is why I'm here, because it, it has a role to play in creating a long precedented type of.

Stephen Drew10:27

Excellent. Thank you so much. Perfect. Round of applause forever. Now, a quick segue. So this is a live, so there's a chance for people in the audience to add your own comments as well. And, and we will, through this, we will bring some things. So maybe some of those questions, even on the screen, near the end, but just before we do that, we've actually got some questions here which have been brought to us and Charlie and Simeon.

And I think even Tamara, you might be asking a few questions as well. So on that note, gentlemen and ladies on the stage, is there someone who's asking a first question and we're going to ask them to all the candidates, but tell me, is it, is it Charlie or Tamara or the Simeon? Who's doing the first question.

I'm kicking off with question number one. So unless anyone tells me otherwise, but I'm just going to dive in, sorry. First question, uh, is we need a president who is not afraid to join in with trade unions to protect our rights. We need a president who will challenge practices that do not follow employment law and exploit their work workers.

How would you use the position of Reba president to support this ambition? Hmm, good question. All right, so Ben, you're kind of next to me. So Ben, you get Chuck the question first, go for it.

Benjamin Champion11:53

All right. So I think the biggest problem with river at the moment is that it seems to be set up that he's looking from the outside more to protect the profession generally from clients rather than to protect anyone in the profession.

So one of the key things that rebar has did it can, can use to control the profession and, and practices is, is the chartered practice, uh, requirements, which. From a staff protection perspective that kind of rubbish. Uh, if you have a complaint, you go to your boss, not to Reba. So first thing is change that cerebral actually is addressing the problems while things sort of leaving them to bubble away for ages.

And the other thing is that rebar needs to actually partner, I think, with these, these communities that are built up separate to Reba to encourage that like, like, uh UVW so and everything, and use that as a way to really understand what it's like being employed as an architect, rather than just listening to the few members who vote, which is not a lot every year or, uh, call on the council, which is on honestly, a small cost section.

It needs to actually. Acting the way it says it should be, you know, don't fire half your staff, and then think that the practices who are members are going to treat their employees any better than you've done.

Stephen Drew13:31

Fair enough. Thank you Ben, for sharing that first question as well, always difficult. I'll give you a quick round of applause.

the same question. Next person, Hannah.

Hannah Deacon13:46

Thank you. So yeah, firstly, I would support trade unions obviously as I'm a worker and they have clear benefits for workers. I think it's important to educate the profession on the benefits of trade unions and you know, actually educate people on what it means and how it will reduce inequality in pay, improve working conditions.

But also the increased wages is proven to lead, to increase production. So, you know, we, we, none of us, I mean, I particularly didn't really know what it meant because he never talked by an architecture and you as the stigma of a train, you trade union, and actually we need to educate people and the benefits and how it improved the profession for everyone.

Um, you know, this is not necessarily just about sticking it to the mom. It is, but it's also going to improve the profession overall. So I think everyone should get behind it and be educated in that. Um, and I think this sort of great work that's done by, you know, um, Ben mentioned, saw, but also future architects run in encouraging our IBA to look into having paid overtime, abolished, you know, practices must pay their staff if they work overtime, because I personally think that's the root cause of all wow.

Practice in, you know, under resourcing, not charging enough fees, irresponsible business management. So we do need to continue that amazing initiative that started and actually enforce it. My answer to that.

Stephen Drew15:21

Excellent. I, sorry, I almost un-muted myself, muted myself and then meet with you back since. Thank you, Hannah.

That's awesome. Really appreciate that. And we'll be moving straight on next. So I guess on my screen, by the way, your next would love your thoughts on that question.

Muyiwa Oki15:36

Um, yes, like the question says, 3g news treated me as an important or important, and I echo the words of Ben needs to be more integrated partnerships with the trade unions, encourage more members to join the trade trade unions, um, because the, the Reba needs to set up focus on the future of the professional and future professionals, the students, the pipeline, um, and that can be done via the wages.

What the transparency in wages, um, within different practices. And also, um, it needs to have a sort of consequence for poor behavior. So at the moment, I, I think most, um, reports or anytime, someone, uh, um, mentioned something to the rib, uh, there's lots of a long process determining what sanctions happens. I think that needs to be become swifter.

Um, and also expand the scope of the standards committee. If you look at FAF, I mean, two or three of them have scoured the internet and they are policing agile. They're doing in, in some ways they're like proxy RBA. Um, so I think the Riv, whether it's, it's because of a lack of resources, they need to dedicate resources to actually looking through what people are saying on online and how much they're charging or advertising for their, um, their, um, the, the jobs that they are advertising for and making sure that they stick to the standards because at the moment, standards are just words on the internet.

Um, so I would like to see shaky working contracts and all that, um, malarkey abolished, um, and newer and more creative revenue models within embraced within the, um, the architecture profession. That's the only way that we can lift all boats with the tide. Thank you.

Stephen Drew17:46

Excellent. Thank you so much, Maya. I really appreciate that.

And last but not very least on this question, round Henry at you want to jump in with your thoughts there.

Henry Pelly17:54

My friends, I think everyone's made some really good points. And I think Maureen's point about the fact that, you know, the. And hunter made the same point that actually the profession is strengthened by better working practices.

I mean, they, I mean, the, uh, the importance of the chart of chartered practice scheme is that as a professional, you should be held, held to a higher standard. And it's not just about meeting employment law. It's about a set of practices that exist within the profession. That means that actually the profession that people want to work in.

So, I mean, I said that I went to work for another for engineering practice. And one of the reasons is that working practices where I work, everyone's paid an hourly rate and you get paid for every single hour you work. So that completely disincentivizes the people that I work for putting I now, I, now I run some people.

I, if they, if they have to do more work because I have I've messed up the programming, then it costs, it costs the practice directly. And therefore you make better decisions about how you, how you. How you run that work and effectively, it means it becomes unprofitable. If you, in there, the major reason that exists is to stock, graduate, being exploited.

You know, if you come in and you all, and they aren't being paid for overtime, it incentivizes you to make them work and you effectively take that as profit. And it's really, really deep exploitation. So I think, you know, basically they need to be a set of working practices. That mean the profession is somewhere that people want to work.

And the professional is strengthened by rebar, actually policing and understanding what's going on. Because when I did my part three, I just heard a whole load of horror stories about what was really happening. And I think it's something that, um, you know, only takes 5% of practices to behave that way for it, to tarnish the entire, you know, people's experience of being in practice.

So I just think that, um, you know, if there are two things it's about, it's about demonstrating what exempt. Working practices looked like and encouraging people to do it and really policing those practices that are doing things which are going to turn people off the profession in the widest sense, and to hold them to a higher standard than just employment law.

And I don't think that is the, I don't think employment lawyers that is the bottom line. It has to be a lot higher than that in terms of, um, how practices.

Stephen Drew20:12

Excellent. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate that Henry well said, and you're right. I do think architectural practices should hold counsel for them.

I do think it's really, really important. So I tell you what we got the next question, the two coming up in the second, but in the audience, actually, Ben who's a press president left some left, a little note, which I thought was interesting talking about the initiative, talking about Hey, outcome and how it works.

But I think this could be a nice segue perhaps on I'll try and talk about what it is, but Charlie, you can help me out a little bit, but the reason behind this call of action is that this is not part of the, this is, this is I guess, a chance for you to see who the candidates as part of this campaign. And then the outcome is we will all vote.

And this is there's a few rules and Charlie, I'll explain that a bit more detail on how that works, but yeah. That candidate basically gets the blessing of this campaign. And the idea is that's a candidate, but if anyone believes in this campaign and what they're doing, that is the candidate they should back.

But Charlie, do you want to run through it a little bit so that Ben understands how this is or for anyone that hasn't been following it, how this is going to, uh, Yeah. So essentially as a collective of sort of groceries organizations from faff to Architecture, Social to UVW saute can, we've all put out this call to action.

Um, we have the four candidates right now, and the idea is that through an open voting process, we will have the one candidate that goes forward to the actual, uh, rebar election. And so that candidate will have the weight of the many grassroots groups involved, uh, behind them. So no need to worry about the vote being split because, um, that's yeah, that's it, it's all very concentrated towards, uh, whoever receives the most votes in our own sort of hustings process.

Um, that is until we can change the bylaws that allow for co-presidency or something like that, but for now one candidate only. So. Correct. Thank you so much, Charlie, for helping me explain that very eloquently. And that's why it's so important that the questions that we're having here, cause it really should be about the candidate that you feel most of the closely aligned for you should vote because then they could be the one potentially running this campaign or having a really good shot of getting in there and going for it.

So thank you for that. Nice, quick segue. I'm going to continue with the next question. So bear with me one second. I'm going to remove this question, but perhaps you could tell me briefly, um, on stage, who's going to do the next question. And while I bring it up, which I believe talks about climate,

is that let's say, is it tomorrow? Are you doing that? Might be Simeon. I'll send me an, I got to get him to the stage that will help with that. There we go. Send me in your back. There you go.

I think Tony had another question to ask, but maybe we can do one each and then come back around again. Okay. Well it's only because I gave him homework. So, um, the third, the sixth IPC report was published in March, 2022. Um, which is all about mitigation and climate change. So what are you key takeaways?

And if you're an IBA president, what would you put in place to address that report? Um, Hey, on that note, so Ben, you're the, you're the first on the screen. This is the way it goes around. And what are your thoughts? First of all?

Benjamin Champion23:59

Uh, I mean, my main takeaway is basically I think what we already then, which is unfortunately the professional renders is responsible for a significant proportion of the.

The combination of the atmosphere, 20 19, 20 1% of all greenhouse gases came from buildings, which is really, really bad. And, um, obviously we need to do everything we can to fix that, which is obviously, well, lots of these groups like, Hey, kind of trying to do, and Riva has made a climate claim and everything.

I think the problem is we're still beholden to the clients and we have to convince them that this is the best way to do things. And I think we've been needs to sort of draw a line in the sand and basically be like, if you're hiring and try to practice, but you should be because you have demonstrated over the past, however many decades, that that is a beneficial thing for you and an architect.

You need to listen to them when it comes to sustainability and designing in a suitable. Uh, sufficient is the term used in the IPC, save a plot. Um, so it's one thing for us to, as an individual architect guy, thank you, Mr. Client for offering to give me lots of money to build your nice hotel. I really think you should consider not just knocking down that big block of flats that you've built.

That there's been that for 20 years, we should repurpose it somehow and for the client to go. Yeah, but no, it's complicated. Don't want to do it. Whereas if as a profession guided by rebar has this body, we make it, we're making it clear that if you're hiring an architect, that's what you're going to get.

That's what you should be doing then it's then not us as one, aren't gonna have to practice saying, you need to do this. It's all about saying you need to do this and this is what we're going. Do.

Stephen Drew26:01

Great. Thank you so much, Ben. And just for anyone, if you sewed the wrong question that's because I did bring up the wrong question.

So thank goodness. I'm not running for the president because I couldn't distinguish between the two, but luckily on stage these candidates cam, so brilliant. All right. I'm going to move on next on the stage. So who have we got next? There we go. So Hannah, you're up here if you want to tackle the question.

Hannah Deacon26:28

Yeah. So I think I'm sort of in, I've got two main takeaways from the report, sort of the first one, it was quite interesting as the, it says that market forces alone are not likely to achieve the necessary transformation without external stimuli. Basically we can't rely on the client going, oh yes, we want an eco-friendly building and reading this there's the MBS did a sustainable features report where they basically asked consultants and our.

What do you think the main obstacles to sustainability are the top three all surrounded by, oh, the lack of client demand, all the costs of sustainability. We're basically blaming other people essentially and not taking responsibility. Um, you know, we have a huge contribution. We write the specifications, we do the drawings, we do have the influence and we can do the hard sell.

It is possible. I've done it on my projects. I've managed to convince clients to go passive house when they never have before. So I think that's one thing is that we can do more and we can't just hide behind the client. And I think, you know, Ben's right. Our IBA needs to do that as a whole, rather than pinning it on individuals necessarily.

But I would say, I think RVA can use that power as well. I personally think the RBA should strip practices of their chartership if they're not mitigating climate. Yeah. Because we all agree that it's a crisis. We all agree with the IPC report. So why don't we actually do something about it? Um, so that would be my first and I sort of talked about last time, you know, that could include the carbon footprint of the office itself, as well as the projects they work on.

You know, it could be more of a holistic approach as well. Um, you can think about, and then the other takeaway I have from the report, um, is that, um, they're basically saying that zero carbon and low carbon options is a real challenge for education and training to get the industry up to scratch and literate in zero carbon.

And we need to be training all students, all architects in being designers or similar. You can't just, you know what Henry touched on becoming a senior sustainability consultant because it wasn't basically available as an architect. I mean, that's just not unexciting. Um, so for me, you know, the complete overhaul of the CPD training, things like that, and supporting, having compulsory passive house design in our BHR, SIDS degrees.

Stephen Drew29:08

Excellent. Thank you so much for that. That's great. I, we're going to have the next two candidates talk about this. And then I think after we'll do a bit more of a speed run of questions as well, but I think I've got to be fair and diplomatic. I can't limit the next to B, so please take your time and enjoy.

We might stress Simeon out, but that's part of the process, my way, your next period. Free to answer the question.

Muyiwa Oki29:32

Yep. Okay. Thank you. Um, like I said before, my opening statement, the IPC had reminded us that we are less than a decade away from a climate disaster and we need to reduce, um, by 50%, uh, carbon emissions.

And one, one thing that struck me when I read the summary. Over 40% of us, the world post-it population are highly vulnerable. Um, and go in looking at that and also looking at other how other industries have responded to this. I had, I read a McKinsey research report that estimated 9.2 trillion annual investment is required to support de-carbonization and net zero transition.

And then I asked the question, um, how much capital has the rib AMR to, um, invest in net zero? I don't know what that is. Um, and as, as the Riv president, you need to understand what that is and how to allocate the resources to make that happen, because we are trying to move away from trying to move away from committing to attempt to meet a target.

For example, like the Reba 2030 climate challenge. I read that and, um, it says. That we are going it's for practices to commit, to try to, and I think that is unacceptable right now. We need to move to, into an execution phase to actually do things. And I echo a little bit of what Anna said it needs to start from university.

Um, I was lucky enough to go to Sheffield that since 2010, we've been talking about passive house. We're talking about a zero, um, uh, net zero buildings and how to make, uh, buildings for the local community. And I think that these, um, attitudes and, um, ways of working needs to be, become a little bit more prevalent within our, um, uh, university sector.

And then it filters into our working day. Um, but also what I would like to do is. 'cause we we're working as a collaborative as a coalition. I think it will be, it will be prudent to facilitate and engage this group and crowdsource and agree on a way forward, um, to genuinely deliver, um, um, our goals for 2030 and 2050.

Um, because it is not about, you know, one person saying what it is, what the truth is because it did, the truth is different for different practices. We'll have practice space, a different ecosystem than a larger multinational practice. Um, but my key key takeaway was, um, the, the use of digital technologies.

And that is that, that, that includes upskilling people to use digital technologies because they can contribute to mitigation of climate change. So digital technologies like, uh, Digital twins, internet of things senses this, and then the other, those need to be like commonplace within architecture. And we need to start understanding the impact, our design, um, um, do in the longterm with, um, post occupancy evaluation and such like, so those are the key, main changes and things that I would like to see and implement as we read president.

Stephen Drew33:06

Thank you. Excellent. All right. All right. Okay, perfect. So last but not least, and this question, Henry, and then we will go from the more, you know, insightful, deep and assessing you guys understanding of poly stuff, which I'm quite pleased with so far and we'll do the speed round, but Henry last. Tell us what you think on this rapport.

So,

Henry Pelly33:28

um, like one of the key findings or one of the key sort of, because obviously it's a, you know, it's a synthesis of everything that everybody who's looking at, these issues has come to. But basically in 2020 we had about like the built environment was produced about 29 gig gigatons of carbon each year.

And like, you know, basically in the moderate action scenario, it looks like that it will be 34 tons, tons of CO2 by 2050, and then with a no action, which I don't think it's going to happen. Um, you're looking at 50 gigatons, so doubling by 2050, um, without intervention, but the really optimistic thing is, uh, you know, basically if there is real.

Um, we can get that to three gigatons by 2050, and that might just get us within one and a half, like three within two degrees and possibly one and a half degrees. And the things architects can do, you know, ultimately in the global south, it's about developing new communities that are much denser, that rely on public services.

That's like basically in places where development is necessary to improve quality of life. It's about really thinking about it's at the master planning level. It's are planning cities in a way that are much lower carbon, um, places to be much better, but much better quality of living and in developed economies like us, it's just about retrofit.

It's ultimately the work we have to do. It's a retrofit. So I, I do, obviously this is, this is the work that I do on a daily basis. And I, I work with architects, um, and, um, you know, one of the things. Sort of changed since I've been working isn't the greatest started to decarbonize and is de-carbonizing fast.

And what that means is if you electrify your heat, if you make sure you don't put gas, new gas into buildings, you know, that will, those buildings will decarbonize over time. And ultimately it means that embodied carbon becomes by far the biggest issue in terms of climate change. So architects are going to be more and more responsible for the climate impact of their buildings going forward.

It's not something that can be left to building service engineers. Um, and I think that kind of highlights a really important thing, things change and the energy context changing and the energy transition means that actually architects really need to be helped to be informed about what the decisions are.

So, I mean, basically. In order to make someone do something, they have to both care about something and know what to do. And the architects that I work with, it's not the care issue is not one that exists. Like most architects actually care about these issues. You know, we're sort of thinking creative people and we really want to do something.

It's actually the kind of like, what do I actually do in this particular situation? And I think that's the one thing I think Reba can really do. Like the 20, 30 challenge. It's like the minimum viable product. It's just like some standards that we can work towards. It's great. There's been built around outcomes and actually they're really, they're really, I think it's really nicely structured for a really small piece of work that could have an impact, but it needs to have a huge amount of resources for architects to go with it.

In order there's somewhere to go. There's a place as a forum to share that knowledge and to really build it. So if there's like one thing, um, Reba can do is to develop a really, really comprehensive knowledge sharing platform that takes what architects are doing and sharing with the parts of profession, because, you know, there are 30 million buildings in this country.

Um, at least 20 million of them need to be like fossil fuels removed and designed to be electrified. And that's work quite a lot of that work for architects. Um, and they need, and we need to know what to do, and we need to be able to share that knowledge as it develops over the next, over the next, um, 15 years.

Um, so I think. There is a response. I think Reba really has got a role in terms of absolutely going full in, in terms of helping the profession learn. There's not just education it's about in, in practice learning, like learn exactly how to do these things and to share all the best practice. So that it's just something that we do rather than something that we talk about, um, as a sort of like, you know, with some words on the front cover of, uh, on the front page of each website.

So I think that that for me is the, is the big piece that, that I, that I'd be able to bring. And I think that, um, Reba could focus on whoever, whoever pushes forward. That's the thing we should be

Stephen Drew37:38

doing. Excellent. Well, thank you so much, Henry. Everyone done really well there. So I'm going to give you a round of applause.

Now, if this was the great Britain off, that would have been the technical challenge. All right. For now, we're going to, it's all going to be next. And I'm getting, I've been told from the background team that I get more powers to use sound boards and everything, which I think Simeon, you will live to regrets.

But that means like, I did not say that. I didn't. Yeah. Say you're saying if you've been following that, the Johnny Depp case, I've been learning about that. Yes. I can't prove it overweight. We're going to begin songs out now. So I've been thrown out. We're going to do it. We're going to ask questions, but if it gets to that point, um, I have to keep moving the show on so that we can cover the land for a thing.

So I'm obviously in danger of repeating myself. So on that note tomorrow, you, and next, I believe with the question for the panel and seeming will kindly tell me what question and I'll bring it on the screen as. Thanks. This is a question posed by Chris Simmons lost, um, lots of things and he asked, uh, what more can the RBA do to help architecture students transition into practice and support them during early years?

Ooh, good question. All right, so it's the speed. The a round Ben don't make me get my buttons out and go for it. Uh,

Benjamin Champion39:10

step one, stop charging students for PDLs and signing up to the PDL thing, because at the moment they're not making enough money to cover all of that. You've just come out of university. It's ridiculous.

Second of all, uh, Reba should probably assign mentors directly to students, or at least oversee that across universities to make sure that people have a point of contact and, and someone to talk about. Outside of that practice, rather than just having to find a university who then probably charges you again to sign your PDLs, uh, for a PSA person that you speak to like twice via email.

Uh, that is the quickest thing I can think of to deal with that.

Stephen Drew39:54

Excellent. Well, I couldn't, I couldn't beat you, then you beat me to the soundboard, which means you did very well. So I'll right next on the stage we hang up, I believe Hannah, go for it.

Hannah Deacon40:08

Yeah. So I did the RBA student mentor program. So I sort of, you know, I saw what is available currently and actually, you know, needs to be far more like far reaching.

You know, as you've been, even as suggesting like it's mandatory or whatever everyone has this mentor. So I agree, definitely agree with that. I think, you know, maybe we could make PDR free, but also use that system where people can actually put in feedback and we can actually talk to students of what their experiences are.

Awesome. Does your degree prepare you for practice? Get, get those questions out there? Because I only was spoken to an RBA person once in my entire, and they were just asking me how's it going? And that was a week before my final hand. And I was just sort of on a mental breakdown. I knew I wanted to, uh, speak the truth about their professors.

Cause we were scared they were going to remove our marks. So I think, you know, just communication. There's literally none at the