Live with the RIBA Gulf Chapter - CV and Portfolio Review and Getting Noticed
By Stephen Drew
May 2, 2022
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Andy Watts00:06


Stephen Drew00:07


Andy Watts00:09

I don't think I'll go too much into what RIBA is. Most people here today know, but global professional member, body based institution, promoting quality architecture and the, in the Gulf, quite an active chapter as, um, a thousand members in the Gulf. Everything from student members to fellows would be 30, 40 years in the in practice.

We've, uh, started nearly 200 years ago now, but obviously evolved over the years over changing. And, um, I mean the main activities of Reba supporting architects with some tools like contracts, templates, guidance, and publishing, um, education validating and accrediting universities. There's two rubber credited part, one courses in the UAE now, Harriet Watts and Abu Dhabi university.

And also kind of the, the thing. Interesting. I think we've, similar institutions. Coming together rather than just as your practice or yourself coming together as a collection of professionals to try and lobby things like governments and other institutions for positive change or sustainability or quality of buildings in countries.

And if this principle of together, our voice is stronger. It's on the website somewhere, and we do have an office in the, in the Gulf in Sharjah. There's an email here. If you're coming a member, there are many types, everything from your students to affiliates the full on charter members. If you can convert some of your qualifications or even just being through the typical Rebo one to three routes.

So you can contact with any RIBA related questions, get in touch with . And the soil, the chapter chapter is basically members in the region that come together and arrange things without COVID, we'd be a bit more social and meeting physically. Um, but we've managed to be online and actually get a lot broader reach.

And it's been very interesting. So we had a live student workshop with some strangers coming together, working on a site in some mangroves, make visitor center over one day in June. Um, and that had some grants things out. So that sustainability series about regionally appropriate sustainability strategies, quickly to Carta giving a lecture on this project and Doha.

We had a big festival and exhibition last year, um, and we're hoping to have a children's workshop this year. So this picture from the sustainability series, we did, Eric took his lecture and we had, um, crystal Springs. I had talking about the Melia hotel in Dubai now open at Patrick Schumacher, um, giving a lecture on our festival as well.

Panel talk. This exhibition we are in. And this is the children's workshops. We're hoping to do this again in design week in Dubai, in November of this year, we're certainly doing it somewhere in Dubai may, might be open to everybody. And some other things are coming to visit to the house of Western charger.

Now we can do in person events again. So 3d printing and innovation series seen a webinar in Saudi and the mega-projects there and the Bahrain Parlin path and ongoing at the moment with international as if the country competition, um, on sustainability, that's open, I think members of everybody and as a talk from, and Badran open to everybody free as well.

I think that's actually tomorrow that you can find that through the Rebbe website. Okay. That goes through my intro ramble. Um, and I think we can for five minutes and we can start. So we've got 80 people here. Um, we had about 150 signing up, so that's sort of. Um, there might be a few coming along and we have received a few CDs to view life.

Um, so I'm hosting with some support from Yasmeen, from our chapter and our special guest today is Stephen Drew two. This is the intro part and explain why he's here. Um, is now a Rebbe council member and is being, uh, working at studying work as an architect. But as you set up the Architecture, Social, and you've you worked before to recruitment consultancy, which means that you've seen lots of CVS come in and to review and get feedback.

And you've also talked to lots of employers. Um, unlike someone, you know, working in the practice only knows one practice. You know what several employers are looking for when they're hiring. Um, and while this is in our audience today is sort of global, probably majority from middle east and everything from students to people that have decades of experience, still interested to know that the moving on, it's not specific to any type.

We're obviously middle east based. We have the Middle-East examples, but the principles apply everywhere. Um, whether it's UK or here, and it is, I'm hoping people get something out of this, uh, about the main principles of how you find work and how you get into, into work. And what are these key tools of a CV folio cover letter?

We're not going to cover interview today, but how do these kind of operate? Cause I think has been a mystery for a lot of people. So Stephen, um, you've been doing reviews for the Architecture, Social, which is another sort of institution community online, which is worth looking at for everybody. So you you've been discussing this before, and this is a chance to do it with.

And provide your expertise. Um, myself, I've, I've done lots and lots of CV reviews and interviews. I used to work at Hopkins in London, um, and then arm gem in Dubai. And now I'm a partner in my own practice here in Dubai. So we're always receiving CDs reviewing. And, um, I I've seen the, the way it works, certainly in several big companies.

And I think we'll discuss later that there are different each company have a slightly different approach, but there are some things I was in common. Um, Jenny Vinci is joining us later, so she has, um, she's a Weaver chartered architect from the UK, but she's been working in Dubai about 10, 11 years, I think, and had her own practice five or six years bench in Vinci, very well-known award-winning practice.

And so she's obviously involved in, um, recruiting, hiring, reviewing CDs, come in. So again, it's hearing firsthand from somebody that hires and goes through the process of looking at a load of CVS and deciding which. Um, yeah, as mean is a member of the Gulf chapter representing Jordan, but actually helping with all our events and is here to kind of help the vent from smoothly and keep an eye on questions and chats at the end.

Um, Stephen, you liked a bit more about yourself before we go into this. Agenda

Stephen Drew06:21

show. Thanks, Sandy. It's really good to be here. And you're right. I think that, uh, uh, while when I I've been, I studied architecture before I've got a job in industry, so I've been in everyone's positions, you're looking for a job and I think that's really important.

And you're right. I have worked in recruitment for a lot of years as well. So I've been the in-between person seeing what happens behind the scenes. And recently I do work part-time as well as run the Architecture, Social with an architectural practice as the hiring manager. So I've seen what it's like to look for a job I've seen what recruiters, um, in particular want out of their candidates.

And I see now are the CVS and portfolios, which really stick out the ones that do well. And I can tell, we can expand on here about what it takes to get noticed, and let's discuss this. The examples and the things I've seen of successful people. And what I mean by that is let's talk about those who got the job and what they did to get the job.

So I think that's a bit of an overview and then I'm happy you tell me when you want me to begin with stuff, but I will let you orchestrate and organize that.

Andy Watts07:39

Well, I think that leads, then I'm going to hide the agenda because it's better to look at our faces and just talk about this. So this first part is how to find work.

Um, and I think before going into like the, you know, the, the obvious ways that agencies and, and things I'd visited here, we just said, well, you know what? The ones that really stood

Stephen Drew07:58

out. Yeah. Sure. So I think before we even get into the tips and tricks, we have to remember, we have to think, boil it down about what is a job.

Okay. So when an architectural practice is looking for someone, it's because they are a business needs. Okay. So they run their, an architecture practice and wherever it's me and you, Andy, let's pretend that we have our own architecture practice. If we're going to look for someone to join us is because there's a requirement in the company.

We need someone, whether it's a BIM manager or a student, how about with things, or if it's an associate and the associate director. So the role of when you're applying for a job, you always got to bring it back to that. And, and it's very, very simple. You should always think about how can I appeal to the job, um, to the person who's running the architecture practice.

So the person that's running the job and how can I satisfy the requirements? How can I reach out to them and convince them that I am the right person. To fill this job. And I think if you constantly have that approach, when you're designing your CV and portfolio, or you're looking for jobs or you're communicating, if you're constantly bringing it back to that, you're going to reassure that employer.

You're going to reassure that architecture practice and you're going to talk in their language. It's about solving problems. So think of that as Feehery, when you're designing this and the CV and the portfolio and the interview. Whenever can you talk about is ways in which you communicate with this person about solving their problem.

You can have a fantastic personality and that is important, but it's about solving the problem that they have in the hands. You know, if you're an architect and you've got experience in residential, Projects or you got to experience a commercial offices and this company builds commercial offices. Then you need to convince them that you are the right person to continue doing that.

And you have that skill set and experience. And if you're an, a student you want to convey your enthusiasm, you want to convey the software skills that you've got and that you can be, you know, you can get involved with the architecture practice and use those skills. So that's kind of the theory behind that.

And we have to think about what a CVN portfolio is. It's a means of communicating this. It's a way of showing your skills. It's a way of, um, showing the experience you've got. And as well as that show in a little bit of your design and personality. So that's kind of the fee worry behind job seeking. And we have to constantly think that.

But that the CVM portfolio is a way of communicating to the employer that you're going to solve their business needs because they are going to hire the person based on solving the problem. And as well as that, a little bit about it's, it's, it's solving the problem. And also there's the emotional value.

And what do I mean by that? Okay. You've got to have the facts there. People have to go, oh, we're going to hire a. Ben or whoever the candidate is because they're going to solve the problem. And it's also got to be backed up by emotion. They've got to like you as well. You've got to win them over and you can do that in the CVM portfolio as well.

So that's what we're doing here, but also you touched upon that. We're going to talk two parts in that. We're going to talk about how what's going to be in that CBN portfolio to communicate to the employer that they must invite you for an interview. But as well as that, it's the big question of how aware do you find these opportunities?

And I think one big thing, one really important thing that I, if there's one thing I want everyone to take away from this today is that, did you know that only 20% of jobs and opportunities are advertised 80% of the job site? Okay. They're out there, but they're not advertised. So how do you get them? Part of it's networking part of it's me and people like here, but it's also about going out there and making your own opportunities and beating people to the opportunity.

So what do I mean by that? Okay. Let's think about it. How many people have seen of Dezeen jobs? Okay. That's a big, popular job boards and there's a few out there as well, but when they get posted, are they going to get a lot of applications? Because that's a very easy way to find jobs. And the more tricky it is to find a job or make that opportunity, the less competition areas.

So what do I mean by that? If a job isn't advertised and you send your CV and portfolio to the company, because you like their work. You potentially are getting ahead of the curve. Maybe they release a job next week. Maybe they need someone next week. But if they have your CV and portfolio there, that y'all going to beat everyone else because why would they advertise a job if they have your CV in the inbox ready to go?

So there's a few things that we can talk about today. So job seeking is a process. It's difficult. No one likes looking for jobs, but we're going to bring it back to the theme of this today. It's about getting noticed. And how do you get noticed? You get notice when you are telling that person who is hiring, that you can solve the problem.

Okay. And that is what it's all about. And if you are the person that reaches out and communicates to them, cuts through the noise, then statistically, I reckon that you are probably going to be the first one, that'd be interfered and in a great position to get that job. So maybe that's a little bit of an overview of my fevery and I'd love to know your thoughts on that as well.

I think I was

Andy Watts14:14

trying to see what you said. Architects are known as not being very good at selling themselves, whether it's working or going for jobs. And what you're saying is kind of what you learn when I've had a little bit sales things for our company. Is it, is it the main thing is it's not about a list of what I've done is that it's putting yourself on the other side, what do they need?

How do I improve their, how do I make their life easier? How do I improve their business? And so, and that's why there is an old tailoring your CV and folio to the job as much as you can as obviously. Um, probably many people put together, the CV is more like a record or, um, you know, cyclopedia of everything they've done, but that's not selling yourself.

Selling it's different selling is really, is there standing out from the rest, but also making, making the other person want, how are you fulfilling what they need? So it's just a different mindset. It's

Stephen Drew15:04


Andy Watts15:06

but that puts them in a lot of other things in perspective, that way editing your CV.

Stephen Drew15:15

I agree on the, I think there was a book I've read years ago.

I recommend it, but the name of it's life's a pitch. Okay. And exactly what you said. And sometimes you can think that a CVM portfolio is, oh, I need to do it, but it is an opportunity to convince it's a. You know, and as one or two off the big architectural practices I've worked with in the UK said, ah, I know one of the managing directors and he's like, this document is the most important document.

So if there's one document that you need to get, right, it is the CVN portfolio, but it's also Andy, like you said, it's, it's about curating it. It's about weighing things up. It's about communicating what's needed. You know, when you design a building, you don't throw everything into it. It's going to look clunky.

It's like, there's the balance. And it's exactly like the principles of a building. Hey, it's been a long time since I've designed the building, but you got to have the foundation, then you've got to make sure everything works. And I'm well, I would say is. The foundation of getting notes as really is a CV and portfolio.

And before you get any collaborate ideas about online websites and stuff, get the basics, right. And then add the innovative twist. If you want to add your awesome website and you've got 3d game engines, that's cool, but not everyone is going to look at that. And we need to make sure that the basic CVM portfolio is works.

And the way I, the way I would think about it is, think about it. Like adding a twist onto a formula that works. We know the brief, the brief is that most architecture practices look for procedures and portfolios. So that's the requirements. And you can tweak with that. Like you're an architect, but do not make the mistake.

I see a lot of people doing of going well, I have a website. It don't need. The CV and portfolio, or even now tech stocks get more and more powerful. And yes, you can get noticed on tech talk, but don't send people you're the tech talk and then expect that, you know, they'd be like, what? Wait, where's the CV.

Okay. And also the other thing that we need to think about as well, It is wild things. Um, while me and Andy, so let's pretend that our inboxes there's no limit on that. Okay. Well, some people might have a limit of five to 10 megabytes, but also you have to be prepared for things out of your control. And what do I mean by that?

Your, your CV and portfolio could be viewed on a mobile phone with rubbish connection of a sweat there, Andy, but I didn't because this was Reba, but it could be on a, on, or it could be printed by someone in an office on a very bad black and white printer. So you need to make sure that this document communicates who you are, what you're about easily and efficiently.

You want it not to be today. Because that's also a little bit boring as well. So I've got a confession here to the hundred one people here. I have a really short attention span, terrible attention span. Okay. But if you can reach out to me and you make it work, then that you've done, you've done a good job because think about it.

Okay. The point of this was how do you get noticed? And guess what? There's so much noise out there. There's so many, there's lots of competition. So you need. To reach out and grab people's attention. But when you have their attention, you don't want to talk too long and you want to make it easy as possible for people to read.

So that can be the graphic design. That can also be the way you communicate in things. But think about it like CBN and portfolio, you know, when you engrossed in a book and you're, you just, you're excited to turn the page. We need to kind of get that feeling going on. And what we don't want is for the person who is, is looking at your CV to get distracted.

So I should, when I'm calm, when I'm looking at CVS, I'm constantly thinking about, is this person going to be right for the job? When I'm excited, I'm just like, right. I got a great CV through and it looks perfect. And the experiences there, then I'm in gross. But what is very distracting is files, which don't load graphic design, which is confusing.

Oh, things that are too long and things that would show wrong sizes, because what that does is that distracts me and spelling mistakes distract me. And you do not want people to get distracted by that. You want to keep the energy on what we talked about before. We want to keep the energy on them, thinking about how excited they will be to invite you in for the innovate, because they're excited by the fact that you can potentially solve the problem for them.

So you want to keep the focus on that. Think of it like tech talk. And this last note, before I open it up to you and they is that if you think of it like, um, tech talk or let me do even more. So you've got ticked off. People's swiping all the time. Yeah. Or tender. I don't know if anyone's been on a dating app in the modern age and what have you.

Right. But what happens? You get profiles. People go, nah, nah, nah. Maybe, and you have to think of it. Like you've got a little moment to reach out and grab people's attention and you build upon that. So life is a pitch. You got to go out on a strong note and how can we do that? We will talk about a few of the tips that I've seen of people who grab and hold people's attention through.

Andy Watts21:02

We have some examples to go through and some live ones. I don't know if you've got any, you want to show you, do you have any to show or are you going to just,

Stephen Drew21:12

um, I'm going to be freestyle. I'm going to get the real deal.

Andy Watts21:16

Yeah. I noticed a bit more sensitive than the UK as well with privacy, but here is okay.

Um, I don't know if I want to add what you're saying. I think another thing people don't appreciate and I've seen this firsthand, so say Hopkins is an office, a hundred people in London. When I was there several times, the pile of CVS is put together by the admin team. That's come in and I mean, like, uh, you know, uh, wipe this thick.

And when the partner directors look at it, they can look at that. They want someone to take out 5%, look at that. So normally a kind of junior architect or someone I've done this when I was younger, he goes through it and tries to pick out the internal ones. So you've got a pile you really are going to someone spend hours or days on the CV.

You might look at it for five seconds. You might look at it for 15, 20 seconds. If it's interesting. And the, sometimes it's just two or three things, jump out like, oh, they weren't and projects. Maybe they went to, they won a big prize. It went to well-known university or some other kind of random interests that, you know, they work for an interesting institution or had some mentoring role.

So it makes you stop and look, you see a bit more, but you're, you're going for it so quickly. If it's full of taxes, like it doesn't go in. And even if you do, if you have a long career in CV, even then it's at more, the main things I've done, you know, what the most famous projects or jobs I've had. So say someone applying after 20 years experience the similar thing, you know, you still got to tax.

And not overdo it, but yeah, I think people don't realize how quickly CDs get looked at. And as you say, it might just be looked at on a phone or a laptop in the middle of an office stuff for a few seconds, 30 seconds, so that it does have to be curated and very concise and clear and mistakes stand out as well.

Stephen Drew22:50

Very much. Yeah. I think what I was building upon your point there, which I think is right, is that. You have to constantly keep the message clear. Remember we need to solve this problem that the employer has, right. Or the brief that's been handed down by the arch to the, to the post review in the CV, finding this a BIM manager.

Okay. They'd be constantly thinking about the who, what, where, when and why. And so when we're pitching ourselves, when we're trying to fill that void, we always need to answer the who, what, where, when, why, who Stephen Drew? What, what am I, I'm a part, two architectural assistant. Where am I? I'm in Dubai. I'm in London.

When am I looking? I'm uh, looking right now on the available immediately on why, why have I applied? I love Hopkins work, I think is a fantastic practice and I know rabbit and I'm ready to go plug me in. So I freestyle that, but you kind of get the jest it's about who, what, where, when and why, and when it's confusing.

What happens in that scenario that you give them the about people reviewing is this guy, a BIM manager, is this guy apart too? I don't know, cross it off. And we don't want that to happen anyways, over to you. And then

Andy Watts24:06

I think before we go into looking at some examples, um, I don't spend too long on this, but I want to just cover the avenues to find work.

Um, and I listed here, the ones, I see the main ones, that professional network to me. It is very important. And when you're at university, the students here, it's not just about your work, you're building your network for the future. So get knowing that people in the year above is very, very useful when you apply for jobs later and knowing who's hiring who isn't in your tutors and everybody there.

And then anybody that comes in for a lecture that's kind of started building festival network and is something to be aware of if you go to, and there's lots of events in the city you're in, especially if you're in a. Dubai or UAE, not the people stay wrong at the end ask questions. And if that's not your nature, you might need, it can help us find a way to do it.

But then there's other ways is online communities maybe get involved in one institution that helps you, but your professional network can have this big value in a hearing like, who is, like you said, who's hiring about advertising or who's about to win a big job. And so we'll be hiring certain. And then the other agencies, I think you maybe said a little bit about that.

There's some active agencies in the middle east, um, called contact and it happens a lot, just sending off email, you know, hoping. And then I think you mentioned where the adverts Dezeen et cetera. So if you want, is there anything you want to add here? Finding how to find a job.

Stephen Drew25:27

I think, um, the, what you've listed is really good building blocks.

You're so professional network, I think that there's two aspects to that and you kind of touched upon what you said and, um, I'm going to build upon it is so that you have. In real life professional network and the online. So the person that wheels both when, so for example, me and you, we did a podcast a few months ago.

Okay. That came up because we saw each other online. We saw each other on LinkedIn, you reached out, we had a great conversation and on the back of it, something came out of it. So you're right. You need to kind of be on LinkedIn. You need to be on these professional networks, but it also helps, like, as you mentioned, communities, friends, and institution and things in real life, you know, keeping constantly in the loop with people that you've worked with before can be really helpful.

You know, if you have a friend who's not sick, you speak to them and you say, I'm looking for work and they might go join my new architecture practice. And that's really, really important, um, agencies. You're right. I do think there is a role for core recruitment consultants and I've done it as well. The caveat I would say is that if you're anyone here, that's a student and the start of your career, I would advise you just to get out there and apply to a lot of companies, because an agency is probably going to be more helpful to you in your career.

The further you go, you know? So if when you become an associate, they can advise you on more associate positions, but when you're starting out, just go for it and, and co contact and you put that is so, so important. Reaching out to companies, um, is going to get you. The job is what got me the job during the 2009 economic crash.

You know, that's how I found a job by sending lots and lots of CVS, um, advertisements. They are. Yep. There's a place for that. However, It's statistically probably going to be the most competitive. So I would say that these four, um, of options of finding work are correct, but it's your professional network and cold contacting.

Those are the things that people least do because it's harder. And then agencies are useful forever long when you career, but advertisements is what everyone sees. So if you want to you the most, um, the most, uh, what am I trying to, what's the word I'm trying to find the hardest work ones, but the highest reward are going to be using your network and cold calling.


Andy Watts27:59

Um, I think with a shed jewel, quite keen to get into review, looking at some CDs, folios. And I think we all know the, uh, the standard set tools weapons covered. Well, I think you could just mention the cover electric email. Cause some people often ask that, do I need to cover letters, email enough? And all the CV folios, I need to check the

Stephen Drew28:20

door for a second.

Yeah, you check the door and I'll freestyle. So, um, so everyone was a good question. Do I need to cover on there though? Do I need an email? So I have a story clean, done covering letters. However, in my opinion, you don't really have to have a covering letter. It's optional. It can be useful, but it's not as essential as the CV and portfolio.

And the CV really is the main. Piece it's like the bread and butter. It's the skeleton. If the CV is not strong, everything falls down. So I always think start off with a good email. And then if you want, you can put a covering letter in PDF parts. I'd rather that you got the, who, what, where, when and why in that email, not to huge email, no one reads huge emails.

One or two paragraphs is all you need. And then if you feel like you want to do a cover in LATAM, that is optional. That's my opinion.

Andy Watts29:24

Okay. I'm going to open something now, actually second woman to open. So I teach professional practice, the Harriet, what university in Dubai, and part of that as the coursework was to make a CD in folio.

So I have some examples from third years that were doing the first attempt at. Um, I'll I gave him good mark. You know what your opinion is? Um, one that I picked, cause I get, they're kind of different. You mentioned standing out and the lady in question, I thought did a good as a different approach.

Another one just kind of good in a more standard way, but let's look at these three, then we'll look at some real ones that people sat at sent in by machines as example.

Stephen Drew30:08

Um, sure. Well, while you're loading it always through a PDF portfolio, do not do issues or online links because some employers do not look at them.

So you're risking them not being seen.

Andy Watts30:26

Yeah. That's another question. See, quite future sending issue links. It can be a bit annoying.

Stephen Drew30:32

Yeah. I just think that you're making it hard work for the person and normally when something's hard work, they want look at it. Oh, okay. First impression I like it. And cool. Okay. You tell me when we're ready to read that.


Andy Watts30:50

Let's have your first impression just bear in mind. You know, it was a third year doing this first stab at CV. Not everything is accurate or

Stephen Drew30:55

no. First, first, first impressions are, it's easy for me to work out. What's going on. Um, I come the graphic design. I do like straight away. So it's a positive first impression thing.

Things I would, um, keep or change. I'll tell you what I like. So I'll tell you, my eye immediately goes up to the hello. I'm a hamate and that's okay. But I think there's an opportunity there to say, hello, I'm a handmade, but in the profile you say entrepreneur and the heart design, the buy trade. Okay. We don't need that.

That doesn't tell me anything. Is this a part two? Is Mohammed a part one? Is he an architectural assistant? Is he a technician? So it's really good to kind of put that in there. I'm guessing because of BA on's architecture. Um, Mohammed is a part one who used to be an engineer. So, um, make that clear and this is, you always want to make it easier for me.

So I'm still trying to work out. Is this a part one? Is this a part two? And because they see associates and different things, I'm getting a little bit confused. So the who, what, where, when or why? I think what we would benefit from is hello, I'm a Hamot I am a that looking for it to do. Okay. So that's what I think would be useful.

The second thing that pops out at me, the more I do a deep dive is design. Confidential, but that's not useful to me. I'm look, it's good that you're respectful, but I have no idea what you've done in, um, June, 2019 and partner at maker labs from February, 2021, but ongoing and confidential. So Mohammed, you might be James Bond, but it would be good to know what you did that because that is not useful information to me.

So if it's confidential, you don't need to say you worked on a super secret hotel for the Kings and Queens of the world, but what you should do is say what your role and responsibilities. So you should say I was a Ponte, two architectural assistant working on a confidential residential scheme on design detailing, technical drawings.

So I go, okay. And it was confidential, but this person was on revamp. So, sorry, Mohammed. You've got my first reactions on what could be improved there. But what I would say is, um, there is some good stuff in YouTube. The graphic design was good. I have a things, sorry. And they. I know I'm going for it, but I love that you put the languages here.

That's really good. I love that. You mentioned your diploma and enter the, um, and all that, but tools. Okay. Let's talk about the tools quickly, rhino. Okay. We've got to have a better context where they're ladies and gents. We've got to have a little bit more, you know, so how much do you know rhino? And so some people have the worldly bars, maybe that's an, the next CV, but always try to be literal rhino two years rabbit one year.

That's my opinion and references. You've got references there, which is good. So I really liked that, that you said people's, uh, references and also brownie points because you put the contact details because you'll be amazed. I've had one or two CVS where there's no email and phone. And what is the point in a CV and portfolio, if you can't bring the person.

So Mohammed, if you, if you're looking at this, you haven't done a bad job, but I want you just to kind of let us say in on what you did, which is confidential.

Andy Watts34:40

Well he's, I don't think he's here. He's so these are my students. The first fear is going to warm up and he's been working for me. That's just confidential.

Um, but that's why I got to sh that's why I got to show it as well. Cause you know, politely to show your CV in public. Um, but yeah, he got a good mark for me because it does stand out, which is like the first thing, first impression that graphics nice and a bit different, but yeah, looking deeper, you see the content could be.

Uh, at an estimate, I'm going to show you another one now. Yeah. But just maybe more. Uh, I'd say standard, you get a lot in this format, the portraits, this not the bars for the skills. Um, but a whole, the one site is I thought it was a good job overall. And again, you have some on the third year, so it's not like they've worked for other places and things.

And also at this point, by the way, they didn't have it walked, didn't have part one accreditation. So they can't, they couldn't be clear. Now they could say that they're part one accredited and then the middle east, it's a bit more complex because there's different accreditation's and things, but there's normally, you'd say, you know, architectural designer or architect or as a student.

Okay students, but different, they may have a more American roots or, uh, other ones, a UK route. But yeah, again, I want to move on to the live ones. We'll have the people here to discuss. So this is a quick, quick feedback

Stephen Drew35:55

from you. Quick, quick feedback, then initial impression. Um, I'm not a huge fan of the logos in the background personally, but what is good here is that it was really easy for me to get all the information from ed.

I don't know if I'm a big fan of the brown labels, but that's a personal point, but in terms of serving purpose, I can tell that Hannah's an architectural stay with that and I can see the contact details and I can see languages and yeah, I've got software scales, but again, these bars though, we've got to get everybody top tip for anyone out there.

Don't use the bars use how long you've used the software in India. Uh, if you really want to put a bar in, that's fine, but then put up a bar with time. Yeah. But I like the, yeah. And I kind of like hobbies at the end. I always think it makes, you know, it's really interesting to see people put hobbies down, but that okay.

But you know, badminton. Okay. It's a bit more interesting cause it's competitive, but video games, look, I love video games. I'm speaking to you on a PC game. Right. But everyone loves films. Everyone likes video games, try to put hobbies, which are a little bit different, so, or anything creative. So. A good example could be doing graphic design or artwork or being involved with a charity or philanthropy or whatever, something a little bit different or anything competitive or anything.

Um, you know, such a sports is good. Okay.

Andy Watts37:19

Yeah. I like here she put critiquing a film, not just and say monography if I see like art film, um, the travel it's like,

Stephen Drew37:28

you haven't really thought about enjoying time with my friends. Yeah. It doesn't stand out, but so Hannah, not a bad impression because you've made it easy to read.

So if this was a first attempt, I'd say, you know, it serves its purpose, maybe a little bit of dry. One more.

Andy Watts37:45

The, this is more of a wild card I like to actually,

Stephen Drew37:49

oh, wow. So, okay. Ah, for me, it's this is like, um, this is, oh my gosh. If I got assigned with the effects yet, so this is like epic fail for me. It says this is epic fail, right?

What. Okay. So I have no idea whether this person is a student or an associate on first impression. I don't remember. So I'm putting on my, um, my mind frame of I'm looking for someone to hire for my oxygen company. Okay. First thing I see is interest, which is martial arts. I still don't know if this person's an architectural designer assistant or anything.

I got contact details, but then as well, look at this, look at this text, striving towards the sustainability as thing, the bleak innovative future, I