Call to Action for the Next RIBA President - Meet our Candidates in the Hustings!
By Stephen Drew
May 7, 2022
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Stephen Drew00:01

All right. All right. All right. We're going to go live as,

hello everyone. We're going to get interesting. We're going to go deep, maybe a little bit. Police gov. I'm not too much. And so interesting. Time is 2022 and we have got, get the call to action. Who is going to be the next Reba president. We'll have to see it's on the line, but today we're going to talk about a few alternative candidates.

I figured that might peak your interest. We're going to speak heart to heart on the label and learn about what they're all interested in. So in the next 10 seconds, I'm going to go LinkedIn, YouTube. We're going to learn it all together. Five more seconds, and we will be ready free to. Hello everyone. I am Stephen Drew and we are live on YouTube.

We are live on LinkedIn. And as you can see, I am trying to open a merit. We have a lot, a lot of guests because this is the call to action has things for the IP election, 2022. Who's going to be the next wave of president. Simon has done a great job or whatever you may think you might have you faves and you can bring them to the life, the paper.

We're not going to talk about the current president. We're going to talk for the next, read the precedent. And I am here with a few people who have rise to the occasion and have talked and applied and put the vote in for the call to action that we put out. So for anyone that's been under a rock, you wanted to check out what's going on.

I'm going to tell you all about the call to action here. So we post questions who wants to be the next week precedent and we believe the next week. These represent the membership and these represent, uh, the membership city Institute beat on the empty slogans and the self-serving initiatives, too much drama.

We want to talk about, and we want to utilize the collective energy and knowledge to support a candidate who is ready to prompt meaningful changes. We want to see meaningful changes within the RPA. So all not know I've got a lot of people here joining me. So we're going to go, I guess. Well, I've got, I've got a list here.

We're going to mix it up. So I've got Hannah DECA who is down. Yeah. So Hannah, welcome to the stage. I'm going to give you a nice though. Clap. Thank you for calling my pleasure. And then I've got Benjamin champion. Who's kind of one over here. So Ben, good to have you here this evening. How are you doing. Uh, where are you?

Where are you from? Where you at the moment Ben, you were in London. I'm in London. All right. Well, you got clap anyway.

Um, as well as that next, this we go by the way, how are you doing? Hello?

Muyiwa Oki03:02

Hi everybody. Hello, Stephen. What's up?

Stephen Drew03:05

I can, I can give you another clap again. So many cracks here as well as right. And we might have Henry Pally joined this as well, but Henry is Henry's daughter is unfortunately a little bit unwell at the moment.

So maybe Han was going to be doing a little drop-in, but most of them that I've got as well, too fallow council members of the Royal Institute of British architects who have to put up with me. But more importantly, let's introduce some so below us, we have the fantastic Victoria, Victoria, how are you doing this?

Even if Victoria as well. Okay, Victoria, you're doing good. I'm good. Thanks. And recovering from COVID. So, excuse me if I cough, but I'm all good. That's don't worry. That's what the new buttons for mute up and enjoy and buckle in for the ride. Uh, Victoria is going to help me with the questions. Thank you so much for that all the way over in this call.

Now we have Mariam who was also on the RMB cancer. Hi, how are you doing Merriam? You okay. Hey Steven,


how's it going? I'm surviving. Just doing uni work or close to deadline for

Stephen Drew04:13

you're close to the deadlines. And you still here with us this evening. So a for effort on the dedication. And is it Manchester university that you're in?

I know you're yeah. Richard broken arrow in that Manchester, all my old tale was about to get married and a good grades. She's doing this as well as Manchester. So thank you for paying your merit, give you a round of applause. All right. So we're kind of like, you know, w we're we're we're in good company.

We were friends here, but let's talk about this. So this is going to be the hostage. So this is about people understanding what you're all about. So guys, I'm sure there's something that made you reach out. When we put the call to action, you felt like there's something there. I kind of want to go for this.

I w I'm interested in this song. Hey, I'd like to share my faults. I'm what I feel should be part of the next RA, be a presidential candidates. So I think, and tell me, Victoria, Maryam, if I'm right here, we're gonna go through to get, uh, a few of the candidates. Yeah, about what they gonna say. And as well as the, I do have comments from the audience, my goodness, I've got so many comments, I'm trying to work out.

Um, what's going on. People, people say they can't do anything. Is there a sound issue? But I think, I think we're all here, but I think can come, we can all hear each other. Right? So hopefully the sound works out. Anyone in the audience, if there's still a sound problem, let us know. Well, I think that we, everything is work and you can hear me.

Can you hear everything? So apparently the sound is fine. So I was getting really worried. Look at this, all the sound problems I'm like, oh my goodness, what's going on? That would be a bit of a drama. Send me and says, put the volume up in deed. It will go. All right. So it's working now. Thank you, Jason. I appreciate that.

You just don't know where these things, that's the. That's the beauty of being live. So on that basis, let's go ahead now, Jane Duncan, lovely to see you. Thank you, Jane also really appreciate the sport, everyone in the architecture industry. So let's crack on with this evening. So ham, then I have you here at the front end, guys, Mary and Victoria.

You tell me what, but should we go around and give the potential candidates you think we should just give them a little bit of space and I can stop talking. We can let them talk about what they, um, why they wanted to put themselves forward for this. What do you think?

Hannah Deacon06:51

Yeah, I mean, that's why we're all

Stephen Drew06:52


Right? All right. On that basis, I will mute myself in a second and I am going to open the floor up. So Hannah, what I'm going to do now is I'm going to give you the floor space. So let's see if I can pin you and give you the solar layout. So. You have the screen, I'm going to bring up the banner as well, but Hannah, please feel free to talk about everything you want to talk about.

Hannah Deacon07:22

Thank you. Yes. Thanks. So, um, vac, didn't read the little bios that we sent out. So my name's Hannah Deakin and I work in Oxford and I've been working as a project architect for nearly three years, uh, running projects on site at the moment, which is obviously a great experience, but I think everything in that call to action was, you know, I feel like I live that every day, you know, just constantly battling to actually just one, do a good job, like to have people listen to me.

And like, you know, especially about climate change and, you know, things that will affect our lives for all the rest of our careers. Whereas, you know, directors, for example, you know, they're ready for her time and then it's not really their priority. So I think that's part of partly why, you know, And the end to myself and obviously to support other brilliant candidates for the same, the same.

Cause I think my primary action as president would be to strip practices of their chartership. If they don't display, um, commitment to reducing climate change, obviously we can get into the, how maybe that could work, but essentially that's sort of my bold statement is that, you know, if you're not reducing climate change or reducing your impact, then you shouldn't be an ROV HR to practice.

Uh, you know, we need to make the ROV 20, 30 challenge climate challenge, you know, stronger and mandatory. Um, and look at, um, you know, improving the education side of things, getting passive house training into courses, things like that is part of what I'm passionate about. I think other things such as, you know, looking out, um, the sort of RBA HT refurbishment supposedly is 20 million pounds.

When we've all read, you know, that the diversity and inclusion budget budget has been cut dramatically. When, you know, there's an easy decision here. If you need some more money, don't spend 20 million pounds on stuff that's not necessary. And I think we could also use, you know, we need to use that amazing facility.

You know, it needs to be opened up to all architecture and design sort of communities and organizations, not just RBA, it needs to be open to all so that it can be a proper platform and then needs to be subsidized or free access to that. Not sort of the high rents that, you know, people buy it, you know, bookie for weddings and things like that at the moment.

It's just, it's not, it's not, you know, providing the facility that it should, um, So, yeah, that's kind of what my sort of two sort of primary aims would be. And I think obviously there is, of course the, you know, the brilliant work done by future architects brand and bringing, you know, awareness of the unpaid overtime and how actually charged practices should be paying overtime as you know, as kind of chartered law, if you like.

So I think that's pretty much sums up what I am passionate about and why I applied.

Stephen Drew10:31

Excellent. Thank you so much, Hannah. And especially. Being the brave soul that goes first. So I will say to you off by and collapse when we work in it's all. So for anyone knows this would be for, they couldn't hear us. All of this will be on YouTube when you will be able to get it.

And I'm confident because us on stage could all your, each other, you will get that as well by Hannah. I could hear you loud and clearly, and that was great. The last quick thing, because we've got to do a little bit of an Instagram social media soundbite. So if you were to summarize everything that you're going for in 10 to 20 seconds, so a quick, quick, quick elevator pitch, which will be the soundbite.

Can you tell us lastly and reiterate why people should vote for you?

Hannah Deacon11:17

Okay. So my primary action as, um, president would be to strip OU practices of their hardship. If they do not commit to reducing climate change and we need to open up Portland police.

Stephen Drew11:33

Or Eliane probably. And there we go. That was just like hot.

There you go. I like it. The driver tenacity. I agree. Well, sustainability is very important and I love your ambition with the Portland place. So on that, no, I appreciate that. I'm going to open this up to who else I trapped here. So I have Victoria Merriam, Victoria, do you think we should go round the other candidates person then open up the questions or should we ask a few questions to Hannon now?

What do you think would be the best way to go about this? Um, I think it might be good to kind of introduce everyone and, um, you know, get to know the rest of the candidates and then we can sort of dive right in, gives the audience a bit more chance to get to know them as well. And then maybe ask

Hannah Deacon12:19

some specific questions from the audience.

Stephen Drew12:21

Excellent. All right. Fantastic. And there is, that's a good point, Victoria, you can talk in the audience, you can ask the candidates questions. Then we will come to all those questions. In due course earlier, I had the scare of my life when people were saying they couldn't hear anything, but we passed that point and it seems like people can hear us as Jane kindly told us.

And now you have a chance to ask us questions. So during this, you can ask us questions because we were informal working out as we go along. So please, please, please do ask questions. Cause I will bring them up on the stage as long as they not in anything naughty. You know, I can't do that. I don't want to get fans on LinkedIn, but.

It's absolutely fact game. So look, thank you again, Hannah, for being the first, I'm going to move this on to the next candidate which I have on my list. And this list is not about who's more important or anything. It's just a list of which come through. And the next person on the list is the fantastic Benjamin champion.

Now, Benjamin. I know because we met during the Architecture, Social, but Benjamin for everyone else who doesn't know you, what would be awesome is if you can introduce yourself in your own words, and then from there, you can say whatever you want as well. So the floor is yours. Ben, I'm going to bring you up now, tell us all about yourself.

Tell us all about what you understood in and when you're ready, let me know and we'll take the spotlight away from you. Great.

Benjamin Champion13:48

Okay. Hi everyone. So I'm Benjamin, I'm a newbie architect, unqualified little library here. Um, data center. Uh, and over the last sort of six months, I've been working, putting together events for them, the festival of architecture to try and raise money for homelessness strategies as a thing architects can do now, uh, I ran last year for a council seat at the same time.

The Stephen didn't win, obviously. Um, I'm west, uh, champion two-part phase in Westminster. And if I don't say it's even, well, I play lots of Dungeons and dragons and that's why Stephen, I know each other basically. Um, so yeah, so as far as this goes, I mean, Reba was huge. It's important. And everyone knows about it.

I knew about it before it was an architect, but it, my, my way of my reason for coming at this is it, this doesn't really work for us. I don't know if it did before, but it doesn't anymore. Um, so sort of the three key things I kind of picked out, uh, first of all, the child practice code of conduct, which Hannah basically pointed out, hadn't been updated in six years and doesn't really do anything to protect us as work, as it seems to mostly be about making sure the practice is protected from clients rather than protecting us.

If, if, as an employee, you have an issue with your practice, not following the code of conduct, you're supposed to complain to employer and then wait for that to go and then maybe complained to either. So first thing would probably be to fix that. So you can just complain to Reba and get reboot to actually take the practice to task for not following the childhood practice code of conduct.

And also as part of that, getting that paid overtime in that, because that's just ridiculous and it shouldn't be something we're still talking about really,

Stephen Drew15:51


Benjamin Champion15:53

Then you've got issues like the salary guide coming out every year. That seems like the useful. And then it turns out that actually employers go, oh, this is what you should be earning because that's what everyone else has.

So you can have that rather than actually assessing things. And again, bringing us all up. And again, I mean, I think I'm noticing a pattern here. Most of my reasoning is similar to Hannah, you know, spending 20 million on Portland place and then firing a bunch of stuff. How is, how can Reba treat it, staff that poorly?

And then we obviously expected to make our employers treat us well. It, it needs to be across the board and improvement for everyone

Stephen Drew16:36

involved. Um,

Benjamin Champion16:40

and you know, there's a lot of big issues with, with the overtime climate change, everything that we want to do. I think my key thing is that really the rebar president should be a facilitator for improving this.

We should be getting people. There are a lot of people far smarter than me, and far more qualified for most things. I be to be getting them involved to fix these things rather than the president say still existing with this antiquated idea that we have in architecture. One great person coming up with all the designs and every building is that one person know when was the last time foster actually was involved in drawing a detail, but he does it a lot, but that's my point.

We need to work as a team with everyone and not be siloed in potent place. Well, not important place because none of us can afford to rent it out. As Anna pointed out.

Stephen Drew17:42

Yeah. Excellent. Excellent. Ben, I'm going to give you a round of applause, right? So I'm going to give you a round of applause just before I take the spotlight off, you snuck over and I'm going to talk to you.

You were kind as you have 10 to 20 seconds now to give us your Instagram and quick bite, why people should vote for you. So this is going to have the social media. This is going to be a quick bite. Is can you tell us why people should vote for you?

Benjamin Champion18:09

Yeah. So if I'm president, I think I act as a champion, uh, of those who can actually contribute and encourage a collaborative improvement to our

Stephen Drew18:26


Excellent. Well, well, well, Tom Penn, I dunno if I cut you off from that, but we'll give you another soundbite if you want. Oh my gosh. The spotlight's on me. How horrendous you poor guys in the spotlight, but like, well done for champion. Along with that, now I'm seeing in the comments, I'm seeing all this stuff like it's froze for me or people listening.

I'm refreshed with live will all this will be on YouTube at the end, and you can watch everyone's recordings in their entirety. I don't know if someone on LinkedIn is doing who knows what or whatever, but this is also on YouTube. But in my experience, the YouTube recording is usually the fastest. Maybe on LinkedIn, it can't handle seven of us who knows, but the show goes on.

We're not going to give up here because we've got more people here. We got questions as well. And I can see that people are kind of jumping in and out. So we're going to do as well as that now. So we are going to keep moving on. So next, so I'm sure Henry I'm thinking reasonably, you know, with the kids.

We'll we'll, we'll, we'll move to that, but we have another guest over here to my left here. Oh, so we, yeah. Tell me all about yourself. Tell me who you are, what you're about, why you were interested in being the next president. I'm going to bring up the solo lay out. Hey,

Muyiwa Oki19:56

let's kick off. Yes. Okay. Hi everybody.

My name is Moira and we were Oki. I'm an architect at mace I'm in the design and digital team. Uh, and in my previous practice in Grimshaw, I was the founder of the multi-ethnic group in allies style network, which was about creating visibility and empowering, uh, um, minority ethnic groups, uh, within the, within the office.

I've also been mentor to aspirin, uh, architect with the Greenfield foundation, uh, which is just to encourage greater social mobility within the architecture, within the wider architecture industry. I've been part of, uh, rebar practice clinics, um, on EDI leadership, participating in panels. Uh, I've also been participating in panels with the rebar radio, uh, regularly contributes to, um, the, uh, mayor of London design feature challenge.

And on the side, I try to, to work on a design tech, uh, venture with a friend of mine, uh, which is focused on using digital tools, digital twins, or I'm making that affordable. The reason I'm here today, one of the reasons why I'm here today, Partly because of that FAF letter, a couple of years ago, I brought to the spotlight, the issues of overworking that is still prevalent in the industry.

And I have similar some similar experiences in my part, one where I had to work, um, about 1:00 AM. And instead of getting some sort of support from my, my superiors, I was told why didn't entirely secure the premises or, and more importantly, widened in type finished the work at hand. So what I'm here to do is to create a little bit more visibility of these issues and, and eradicate them, become the voice of empowerment for disenfranchised and underrepresented groups within the.

But also more importantly, be collaborator. I want the art to be collaborating with specialist groups like the UK GBC, like the green finance Institute, like AIG on issues and policies about tax on the high level, but also collaborate with the younger generation about issues with environment and climate change because getting these pools.

Of people together, people on the higher level experts and also from the grassroots is the only key, the key change that we need to make change possible for everyone. Um, I also was inspired by, um, this documentary, knock the house down about, uh, Alexandria, Ocasio, Cortez. Everyone knows her. She is the freshmen, um, at freshmen in 2020 freshmen, um, uh, house of representative in the us house of representatives.

And I, if she can do it, I think, uh, everyone should be spurred on by her example and making sure that they can make the changes happen in any little way they can in their little communities. And

Stephen Drew23:15

that's why. Amazing. Wow. There you go. All right. All right. So I'm going to keep the spotlight on you. So sorry.

Cause it's, it's dangerous. I click anything cause I actually just kicked banner off the whole live stream by trying to remove. And so sorry, Ben, you know, I love you, but please, please breathe. Before we move away for you in 20 seconds. Elevator pitch. If anyone is blasting through Instagram and they're too busy, they've got lots of stuff going on.

Why should they vote for you, mate? Um,

Muyiwa Oki23:47

well I would like the rework to be more visible. I would like to be able to be more visible within the built environment and also be visible with its members are like the rebirth to be more collaborative with specialists, interest groups, and also the younger generations to create change.

That means something amazing. That is what I'll do as.

Stephen Drew24:12

Excellent. Excellent. So I'm going to remove you from that layout and I'm not going to remove you from the live stream. So Ben, I've got to apologize to you, Ben. I've fed you. You accept my apologies for kicking you off the way stream. Well,

Benjamin Champion24:32

I guess

Stephen Drew24:34

I'm here with, and I'm not, I've not, I've never had like hosting or anything.

So do me a favor. If, if, if anything else, since you are pulling information to become the house, but until then, I'm going to feel terrible. C'mon, you will enjoy it. You're going to be the revert president and I'm sure you can handle it. Being a host. I've got all my conference and all of you. And look, I was super inspiring to hear about, because I would have loved to hear that, especially when I was a part too, in the industry.

So I think at this point, so we can do a bit of an interlude. So for anyone who wants to relax, maybe we put on a bit of elevator music proofing. Can anyone hear my elevator music? Can I have one here it on now. So we're going to relax. This is the absolute point where we can chill out. So Merriam and Victoria might to confront race.

You've got to help me as the host. Do you think we should open it up to the questions to these guys and also the audience, any questions from the audience? Maybe they can say specifically to the campus and they can do it once you guys ready.

Hannah Deacon25:42

Definitely. It's a democratic process. You know, they're going to be the voice of the people, so they should be ready to pack a punch, anybody, go ask them anything.

Let's see, you know, I believe, uh, quite a good group. Um, uh, let's see. Let's see what happens.

Stephen Drew25:59

That was brilliant, but that wasn't, that was not. That was not elevator music that was like fight in talk. So I ain't going to bare with me without get some packing punches talks, but maybe in the short term, I know we had a few questions for the candidates before Hans and Victoria and forgive me, but maybe there's one or two questions, which you personally felt were really, um, of key interests yourself that you'd like to ask the candidate.

What's the first question that you'd like to open it to the floor and maybe then the candidates can jump in. Yeah, sure. I'll start off with some questions. So the first question, um, how would your experience as a worker be of value in leading the profession through the changes that you guys have mentioned, and that was mentioned in the initial letter

Hannah Deacon26:52

and call to action,

Stephen Drew26:54


Okay. So let me get the question on the screen. So I think it was this question, is that right, Victoria? Yeah. Okay. Great. So the floor is yours. Guys were the ones to jump in this question. May the Victor, when grab the spotlight, tell me if anyone would like to reach out and go for it.

Benjamin Champion27:17

We're all too polite.

Stephen Drew27:20

All right, Joe, on there. Can I get, I'm going to get my ticking clock in a second. Who's going to jump on it.

Muyiwa Oki27:26

Well, I can go. I can, I can go first. Yes,

Stephen Drew27:28

go Fred. Well,

Muyiwa Oki27:30

I have been as a, as a worker, I have been, um, sort of seen the spectrum of, uh, of, of different types of, uh, practices I've worked at smokes will have practices.

Medium-sized practice now in a sort of global, uh, consultancy practice. So I know how things work in all scales and there's some commonalities, um, and understand. So there's some frustration with. Practices work because they sign up to declarations and then don't adhere to it. And we know that that word is that that's called hypocrisy and working as a worker, as a worker, I've been able to sort of speak truth to power, um, hold feeds to fire because I have a track record of challenging established organizations, structures that do not serve the communities that they intended for.

Uh, and in my last role, um, I set up a social governance structure for race related. Where there wasn't any, and this was done through lobbying and collaboration with SLT, the senior leadership team on the HR teams, which resulted to the review of, of, of, of the process, uh, the recruitment processes, uh, and, and try to collect data about who we are as individuals in, in, in, in the office.

And this led to a roadmap for developing and sustaining diversity. The first one that actually happened, um, because as a worker, I realized that regardless of my age, my race, my level, it was important to use my voice, to implement change, uh, much needed change. So yeah, as a worker, I feel like you get the, the, the sort of blunt end of the stick, so to speak.

But I do think that at work, you do have a chance to, to make change. And I think it resonates a little bit with. Because we're here to make change and a positive change for the better.

Stephen Drew29:38

Amazing. Well, there you go. All right. Let me take the solo layout off you and well done for doing that. Cause that takes a better steel to do with that life.

Now I'm just going to quickly interject some Joe from the audience says it's super jumpy on LinkedIn. So if he's jumping around on LinkedIn, apparently YouTube is waste mover. Google has it down, apparently in LinkedIn, come on, Microsoft pick up your game because they can't handle the heat from this how's things.

We're bringing too much fire. So, if you want to keep up with it, watch it on YouTube because apparently as much move it that, so you guys, we don't need to panic. It's actually, it's actually LinkedIn slash Microsoft. So Microsoft up your game and everyone check out the YouTube link, which is here. Actually, I'm just going to quickly interject because Tom pagan, who is vice-president on the NRA, BIA says great introduction from the candidates.

And thanks for organizing this. We interested to hear each of the candidates, views and connecting to wider membership, not just those who drop into Portland place after work. Yes. That's very true. As all talks about redoing Portland place and like trying to conceive hadn't been there. How that would be good, but you're right.

Not everyone can geographically go to Portland place. So maybe. Open this up now there's one or two of you that might have mentioned Portland place during this. So, and I'm not going to do the open at all anymore. Cause I appreciate that can be a bit for long, but um, I mean, Hannah, do you have any thoughts about this or would you like me to move it to Ben?

We're kicked off. I mean, I already kicked him off the live stream, so I can't get any worse in the books if you'd like me to pass the question, the band.

Hannah Deacon31:21

No, it's okay. I can, yeah, I can answer this one. Um, I think, you know, I'm not London based, so, you know, I'm an Oxford, which, you know, isn't a million miles away, but it's not, you know, I don't pop to London after work.

You know, I even, you know, Oxford is a very privileged area and you know, but we even, even Clinton left out of the kind of London bubble and et cetera. So I think one of the best ways is. The RBA have the coveted website. And I think that is also a place where they need to, you know, share events, not just that RBA, you know, also promote other things that are happening in architecture and get the conversations going between those groups.

Um, connecting with young people through, you know, social media and, you know, not just going, oh, oh, it's another international women's day, or, you know, and taking us just as like that, they need to actually support groups that already exist. Take a step back and give people that platform. And, you know, they've got all these followers and all these members and, you know, they could give those to other organizations to help them.

Stephen Drew32:38

Well that, and look, it's always, it's always look, it's always hard being jumped out, especially if anyone's never done the so Lao, it can be pretty overwhelming. So thank you for that. And look, I am the, with this, am I being told I need to be, well, I have inclusive views within architecture. I'm not being inclusive within the questions.

So I need to say, is there anyone else? Yeah. Ben, where you were at, was there anyone like to add them to Tom's questions or share your views? Was there anything you'd like to add to that? And it's okay to say no, go friend, come on. Let's get it on the spotlight on you. Let's go.

Benjamin Champion33:18

So I think part of the problem is yeah, that, that genuinely London centric view that the reliever seems to have, whether it actually does.

I don't know. Um, there are groups of architects all across the country. You know, I know Birmingham and Manchester have groups of artists that have nothing to do with. Why, why are they having to be separate? Why, why is Reba not hosting lots of events and encouraging discourse and, and using its its cloud as this international well-known establishment to have things happen outside of Portland place, there are, there are some, you know, the rebar Southwest and everything, but my experience with them is admittedly limited would say I'm in London, but my understanding is that not particularly busy.

Um, I think, yeah,

Stephen Drew34:13


Benjamin Champion34:14

moving away from being too London centric being so obsessed with Portland plates. Yes. It's a nice building, but as we can, probably all agree at this point, architecture is not just about building.

Stephen Drew34:31

Well said, and I've got to admit that. And then while you're here now, so I apologize for kicking you off early. I care about you. I care about Ukraine. I appreciate you doing that. Forgive me.

Benjamin Champion34:48

Let's move

Stephen Drew34:49

on. And that's what we need as well in the next way. RBA president is someone that's forgiven. So moving swiftly on. Thank you.

Muyiwa Oki34:59

I can, I could mention something on, on that Tom's point he made about

Stephen Drew35:05

pray. Yes, please, please. So

Muyiwa Oki35:08

I think, yes, like what am I, my colleagues have said, um, is, is it is true.

We are very London centric and what, which, who isn't really, I think London or England, or the UK actually is very London centric. Um, and I, one of the key is to create spaces for the vast groups that exist within our societies or which are reflected within our IBA. So that's the black community, different racial groups, uh, LGBT communities, uh, and create events that catered for them.

And that those events should be location agnostic and talking about events. I am actually hosts. I'm trying to host host in a, uh, an event, uh, with partnership with black peoples in architecture this summer. And I'm looking for a location. So Tom, if you actually. Uh, no of having suggestions for where that should, should be.

Um, you can hit me up on LinkedIn or Instagram or something. Um, but I would like the Rebbe to be looking at events outside of, outside of, um, the silos of your black history month in October or your, um, LGBTQ, uh, pride month in, um, in, in June. And if you have a calendar of events, you can start to spread it around and include the regions, create space for the different groups.

Um, so that it's not just people who can step into Portland place after work. It's actually about people around the regions, even people internationally, like things like this could happen as well, that, um, actually galvanize support for, uh, the, the, the membership. It's my

Stephen Drew37:00

idea. Excellent. Excellent. Thank you so much as well.

I know the solar layer can pay a bit, you know, it's like windows and, but that was perfect. And I really appreciate it now, Simeon, who doesn't really want to be cute, but it's still here. You need to tell me, say me and if I'm staying too long on one question, but Tom, that was a great question. And thank you so much for adding it to the live stream.

And I can see that we've got a few questions coming in, so thank you for that. I think that earlier I did mention this question before, which I can bring up really quickly. Um, oh, it was this one. Yeah. How will your experience as a worker bee value leading the profession? The change has mentioned it in the letter.

Now let me know. Is anyone or anyone to add to that? Or I'm going to move to the other questions. So candidates, are you happy for me moving swiftly on because I've got, I've got another question ready for you. Cause you know me, I come with my question.

Hannah Deacon37:57

I just say something quickly. Um, so I think, um, you know, it seems like quite a hard question to answer, but recently I did the sort of RVA student mentor program for folks with Brook students.

And all of a sudden you realize how much you've learned just by, you know, working in professions for however many years, particularly surviving a pandemic and all the kind of, you know, it made everything worse in terms of, you know, people being put on furlough, you know, people were being exploited people.

I know people that were on Friday and we're still then forced work and you know, it, it all just got worse. And I think w when you realize that actually we can help people that were just like us however many years ago, and can help the youth understand what their options are, where we can improve the impression profession.

Um, and actually, you know, I've just had a part one start that I've been helping out. I'm ensure that she has a better experience than I did because, you know, with the little power that I have, I might as well use it and do that so that, you know, you're improving standards from sort of bottom up if you like.

So I think that is sort of how I don't celebrate.

Stephen Drew39:18

Excellent and answered very well. Well, thank you so much. And, and this is why you're here and this is why I think you are awesome candidate. Although some candidates behave, this is what it's all about. What is working, which candidate gear gravitates towards your views.

And we're going to keep diving in more deep on that, but I'm struggling to keep up because I have the questions that we already said them I'm already so excited to see so many participants from the audience, especially those who are handling the link. Then I don't know, lack drama. I appreciate your questions as well.

So just before I move on to Merriam's questions, I'm going to say, Tom says excellent answers. Thank you so much. So thank you all on the stage for sharing it. I really appreciate that. And Jane Duncan says very interesting discussion. She does ask a question as well. Deal with Jane's questions, but I think it's only fair that I go on to Marian who has a question?

Yeah. So Merriam, I tell you what, I'm going to turn off this question here. I'm not going to put the spotlight on you because where we are with the cure rate, as we can just check out. So Merriam, is there a question that you wanted in particular to ask the candidates

Hannah Deacon40:31

hi, pony ass, or I I'm really passionate about this and I think we need a president to represent the profession and be the face of the Institute.

So, but they must also possess the courage to change the culture of the organization. So we need a president who not only tolerates an atmosphere of elite CISM, uh, privilege and misogyny and racism, homophobia, and ableism. These things have no place at the helm of a profession committed to progressive values.

So how would you as the next president work with a vast group of people, no matter where they are. What their background is sexual orientation, gender, any of these things and their experiences and cultures can commit to rebuilding the relationships with those who feel most disenfranchised. I should also say newer diversion as well and disabled people we've known through these.

So, you know, how would you make the rib more inclusive at this point? And how would you bring people who aren't usually in the conversation to be in the conversation?

Stephen Drew41:28

Ooh, very good question. So is there any one in particular that would like to jump on that? Otherwise in five seconds I will pick a random name, but Hey, who's the Vic that gets the spalls, who would like to jump in?