Guest Lecture with Coventry University Architecture Society on 'How to Find a Job in Architecture'
By Stephen Drew
May 6, 2022
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Oh, we've been recorded. Sorry. Yeah, I love, yeah. Okay. Should I go, should we stay? Should I go? All right. All right. Rock and roll. I ever won. I am Stephen Drew from the Architecture Social. I used to be a part one and a part two. And what I do is I worked in industry for a while, and then I moved over to recruitment.

Now recruit when you think, why the hell would you do that? And that's a really good question, but I'm a bit of an oddball and most of you will go on to do amazing careers in architecture. And I went into recruitment. And so for the last, maybe. Um, six or seven years. What I've done is I've worked with companies such as , I've worked with Grimshaw, you name it.

I've worked with them really great companies and this well as that, maybe some of the ones that are not so famous, but are awesome to work with. So I work with a lot of hiring managers. I've worked with a lot of directors who work in a need making decisions, and they've kind of seen it from both ends of the scale I've been in your position.

Um, cause I was a part one, a part two, and when I was a part, when it was during the global pandemic and I had to find a job and it was just kind of like the super stressful thing. And as well as that I've seen what employers look for in terms of when they're looking for CVS. So what would be really interesting to know here is that how many of you guys are part one part two is and what kind of use are you in?

Can you give me a rough idea of everyone here? Are we mostly power ones? A part two. Oh, I'm part

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one for example,

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on second year. Okay. Awesome. All right. Cool. So especially if you're on the part one, it's kind of daunting, isn't it? It's like I haven't got any industry experience. I don't know what to do. And so whether, so if you're in your third year now, I'll talk about like how to, how to go approach looking for a job.

But if you're in second year, you can kind of like pick up some tricks now, which are going to help you in terms of your, your application. So. Before we jump into it. I've got no script yet. We're going to speak on the label to each other. It's just from personal experience. And you can, um, if at any point you can check out the Architecture, Social, which is this online community, this forum, it's now four bows of members.

And so my whole goal is to get employers and, and people like yourself, designers, students, and architects closer together. So I'll break down that for fall. But in the meantime, while we're here, the whole point of this is that I want you guys to remember. And to think that the number one person that's going to be in charge of your career is you guys.

So let me get out my, my, my bouts. So see that look at the camera. Wherever that Bell's going, that's you, you're in charge of your career. You're going to be the person that gets yourself, your next job. You might. And that's whether food knowing someone or going out there, chances are as a part one. You probably liked me.

I had no connections. Unfortunately, my parents were not Mr. And Mrs. Grimshaw. And I was like, oh man, you know, I've got to find my own way in. I don't know anyone in architecture and, and you just gotta put your CB portfolio out there, but the good news is you can do it. So let's go from ground zero. If you were in your second year or third year, you're probably thinking around this time, this somewhat, what is it March?

Right? You can know you're getting your submissions ready. You're thinking, oh my gosh, I'm just trying to get all my finals in and all this stuff. I, I haven't even thought about looking at a CV or portfolio. Don't worry. That's completely normal. My number one tip though is early bird catches the worm and right about the time that everyone's making their plinths, they're kind of getting the stuff ready for studio.

I don't know whether you're doing a virtual show now, but running the, by the time everyone's doing this show, they're all panicking about doing the show. And so the first tip before we even get into it is if you want to get a job, a maximum chances, while you're setting up the studio in your end of year show, you should be thinking about sending your CV and portfolio away because that's what I did.

And I got a job much quicker than my part, one friends. At the time, I was one of the lucky ones who got a job earlier. And the other thing that really helped me to get a job when I, when I was a part, when this, that I got scared, right. And when I say I got scared is because my. Friends, my flatmate and university at the time, he was just like, it's 2009.

It's the global recession. So similar to what we are in now, right. With the pandemic, I was like, oh my gosh, there's no jobs. And I got totally scared and I didn't have really as much need to get scared. But what was interesting is that that fear of like the odds are against me. It's set me, set my mind frame up a bit differently.

So instead of sending like 10 CVS to grape and Shaw and fosters and a beautiful, intricate CV, I was like, I'm going to send my CV to a 5,000 Architecture practices, which, which sounds completely bonkers. And most Architecture are people who own Architecture practices. We'll talk about doing a custom CV and, and that's nice, but.

In in times, which are tricky, like this, you've got to use probability on your side. So if you send your CV to a thousand places, you're going to get interviews and you're probably going to get a job off of them. And so loosely, you got to think of it like probability in life. Okay. If you send your CV to a thousand app app companies, you send a thousand applications.

I did that. And I think from that I had seven and twos. And from that I had. Two job offers. So that's kind of a worst case scenario, but you see, it was like basically a one hundreds to one interview ratio, roughly. And from that, I had to do five to 10 interviews to get a job offer. So you could be one of the lucky ones.

Like you can be one of the, you know, you'll know that one guy that's got, oh girl, there's going to be that person that like sends them one application after have a wax. And it's a beautiful match. Made an Anthem, or maybe that's you. But if you're like me where you, I dunno it just, maybe wasn't a click.

You've got to use probability. So the good news is there's a job out there from everyone I'm convinced. But the first thing that I want you to think about is when you're going to go and skate your CV in portfolio, ready, the number one thing to take away from this whole. This whole presentation or whatever you can call it, that we're doing is you are going to send your CV to a lot of places because you will get a job from it.

So that's number one, that's number one. Then you can have a little look at I've actually done the last two weeks on the Architecture Social I've done a stream last week, which was a big presentation about CVS. So we can have a look at that seven, that and portfolios as well, but general rules when you're sending your CV and portfolio.

Okay. We're not, it's gone to the days right now until the pandemic has gone where you're not going to be sending your CV in the post anymore. Okay. You're not going to be sending a beautiful, or you're not going to be hand delivering that probably to an office because it's still a bit of a tricky situation.

So you've really got to gear your CV and portfolio to read really well. Online. So you've got to make sure that you see being portfolio stands out in an email application. So how do you do that? Okay. You've got to get your CV the right size. Not too big, not too small. It's got to be clear. It's going to be a legible, all the stuff you already know.

And so what you want to do is you need to grab someone's attention online, because if you think about it right now, we're in this kind of, I don't know what you'd call it like a Tinder culture, you know, where it's like you swipe to the last swipe to the right everyone's attention span is short because they're busy or distracted.

And you have to think about that. Someone who's looking at your application is probably going to be busy or distracted because they're running an architecture practice. They've got lots of problems going on. They've got their personal life. They've got, they've got to work out. They're going to deal with lots and lots of stuff.

Okay, so you need to jump out and grab someone's attention in a really short period of time. So you can go through and you can have a little look at the presentations. I've done them. I can bring that up on screen in a bit. If you want to check it out, ban in essence, think about it. We need to grab someone's attention.

So what's the best way to do that. You've got to think about constructing a CV and a portfolio in an email. Okay. And grab someone's attention. And so the best way to do that as always to be very limited. Okay, and be very description though. You don't want that ambiguous. You don't want to say hi. My name is Stephen Drew.

I'm super interested in sustainability and I happened to be a part two. No, it it's going to be really confusing. You've got to structure your CV and portfolio once it's ready in the email, which is really clear and concise. I am a Stephen Drew part two application, or in your case, it'd be part one application at looking immediate available immediately in central London, super clear.

And you write a paragraph. Okay. And you write a paragraph in the email, which says all about you in a little bit more detail, but very description though, but not being, um, ephemeral. And what I mean by that is we're not going to loose again. It's not about your, uh, right now talking about your interest in sustainability.

It's about being very, very literal. So you saying in the. Again, I am Stephen Drew. I'm really, I'm looking for a part, one Architectural Assistant position. And I, I am I currently, um, based in London, you would say that you say I've seen your work on your website. I'm really interested. I'd love to apply for your practice.

Right. Then you see the in portfolios attach simple. So your CV, what goes into a CV, especially if you're a part one branch web. Okay. You probably not going to have much industry experience yet. And I didn't either. So that's fine. But you need to think about what an employer is looking for. Okay. So number one thing, does anyone here, and this is a bit of fun.

Don't be shy. So hides come out from all your boxes. See if you can there's anyone here, what do you think? The number one thing that gets a graduate, a job, if they haven't got industry experiences, does anyone want to have again. I'll tell you in the bay, have a guess, what you think is the big thing on the CV that an employer looks for?

Anyone?

No one here. Right? Okay. Okay. So it's actually software. So software is going to get you a job. And so right now it will be your design is always going to be important. Okay. But you think about it when you join an architecture practice, you'll be implanted into a system and you're going to be plunked into a system which is going to be, um, the, the backbone that's going to be Cather and the backbone it's going to be rather than, okay.

And then maybe they use 3d modeling and all this. But they're going to hire you. Um, they're going to hire, usually they're gonna hire someone. That's got the software skills, which are inlined with the architectural practice. So a really safe bet, especially if you want to work at an architecture practice, such as Grimshaw or a work or something like that, chances are it's really, really useful to the rabbits.

Now I remember when I was a student as well. Hi, Marissa can see you in bed back. Do you want to turn off, turn off your camera if you want to. I don't mind, but, um, then the camera is funny. Hey Richie, there you go. I feel like I'm talking to people in the room. Barriers. Keep your count, keep your camera on.

Any questions you ask. As well, cause that's what it's all about. It's strange when there's no one that you just feel like I'm speaking into the voyage, you know what I mean? But anyways, so where were we? So software's going to be the number one thing that they're going to look for. Okay. And then that's going to be backed up with you're designing for some personality.

But I think software really hard. So a lot of employers are looking for, if they use rabbit, they're going to be looking for a rabbit. Now what I was saying before I got distracted, sorry. My attention span. Isn't the strongest in the world. That's one of my weaknesses, but what I was, what I was saying is that if you haven't done, Revvit so much yet just try and do a little bit of a V on the side and, you know, it's, it's rather, it can be a really constricting as piece of software, especially when you're doing design in architecture school.

So don't worry about it. Totally get it. But if you, any of that, you can do, you can learn on the side or you can put a bit of your project into it. That's the kind of thing that's probably going to get you a job because that's a bit more than someone else. And I guarantee it. If we were like a gout, if we were gambling here, I would put a hundred pounds of the person that knows rabbit to get a job in an architectural practice that uses.

So it's really, really, um, it's really, really important. And so if I was you guys, and someone said that to me, when I was kind of doing my own uni work, I'd be like, oh my gosh, another thing I have to learn, but if you can do it, it will really make the big difference. And you probably get hired to the company that you really, really want to work for.

So try and never tip is try and lose. Software, which is really important. And the number one is right now is rabbit. Um, rhino is used by a lot of big architectural practices as well. Uh, you've got stuff like if you're into parametrics, such as Grainer out Griner where I'm making up words here, grasshopper and rhino, or you have like rhino inside of the moment, those are kind of cool pieces of parametric design and modeling, which is actually used by architecture practices.

So stuff like that is really gonna stand out. Stuff like hand drawing is, was always useful, but it's like a nice to have. It shows that you're a good designer, but really rather nine times out of 10 right now, I reckon we'll get you a job. So the first tip I said was, you're going to cast the net open wide, and you're going to mentally think that you need to apply to a thousand companies.

You're going to go, oh my gosh, what the hell is this guy saying? And then you're going to digest it. And it's going to seem easy because actually you can send like 10, 20, 30 in an hour if you really bashing it out. And so if you're wondering, where do you find these architectural practices when you're looking for a job?

Think about it with job boards. Right? Most people wait for job boards. Okay. That's what people do when they're looking for jobs. It's really normal. But if you think about it, right, why wait for a job board? Okay. So there's loads of reasons why you shouldn't rely on the job boards. Number one, and most people looking at job boards.

So it's going to be the most competed roles forward. Okay. So if you think about it, how can you make an unfair advantage for you? Cause an unfair advantage is what's going to get you a job right now. I didn't have an unfair advantage because when I was a part one, I, like I said earlier, I had no parents which were related or anything else to architecture.

I had no, uh, I had no connections in this world. So at the unfair advantage I use was probability. Okay. I just completely, uh, lacked my counterparts in the studio, my bestie mates, which I have, you know, a few cars, big titties, where I would just completely hammer them in terms of the applications, because I'd sent so much more and the other and branches you can have or where someone else is the rabbit.

So using software, which an architectural practice has that will put you in an unfair advantage over someone else, which has as good as designers. Yeah, because you're going to fit into their architecture practice, um, because you just, you just match the skill set. So those are the top two things. The other thing, which I think, uh, I touched upon briefly was how to construct the CV and portfolio.

And so a CV you should be typically between, um, it should be like two free makes in size. And when you're sending your portfolio to employers, uh, remember that in the interview, should you have a digital interview or a portfolio on the table in today's. You're going to have more time. Okay. So you're going to go over and you're going to talk about your projects for most recent work.

And that's a key thing. Don't put your, uh, first year of staff at the start put your most recent stuff. Cause that's going to be more advanced at the start of the portfolio, but in person, you know, you're going to spend like 20 minutes going through it or 10 minutes talking about it. 10 minutes, probably talking with the employer about it, but in a C in an email application that you sending it off, no, one's going to really look for all 50 pages.

So you need to do, what's called the sample portfolio, which is like a best hits version. Again, use the pro I use the analogy I used earlier, Tinder. Okay. If you've been dating or not, I mean, I'd been on and you literally swipe to the left swipe to the right. Assume everyone's going to be that brutal, because I think that sets you up to a good mentality.

So you need to grab people's attention. So how do you grab people's attention? Again? It all goes back to what we're saying. We're going to send out loads of applications because that's going to, um, that's going to give you an unfair advantage. You're gonna, you're gonna then target architectural practices, which are close to you.

You'll do a bit of research on them. And if you've seen software that they use mentioned that you use the software in the, in the email, if you see that they've got on their website, for instance, and they have a good way to look at it is look at a job on their website. And if they look applying for an a, if they advertising for the architect, don't let that stop.

You sending your portfolio. Okay. Because like I was saying with job boards earlier, most of these architectural practices, when they're busy, right? Maybe they don't need to look at the job or because you send your application in the inbox. So can you imagine, like if you role play we're in an office, so reishi, I'm going to keep picking on you because you're the only person that's on the camera, but say, now it's me, it's me and your practice.

And you're saying, I need a part one and I'm going like, oh gosh, we can advertise it. But really can you craft a quick look in the inbox to see if there's anyone good in that? And then mentioned, you did look through it and then you saw a pot one there and you're like, Hey, this person is really good. This is called this guy.

Cause then if they're good, I don't even have to write a job ads. We'll just hire this guy. So have that mentality of. Okay. I need to send my applications to places that are not even, uh, not even posted the job right now. So the way you do that is literally go and Google it, go to the nearest Architecture practices to you and build it out.

And so I did a video on my YouTube channel. Let me see if I can put the link, but if you go on YouTube on the Architecture, Social, I've got a video where I go through all this, but as well as that guys in anyone here, I'm going to actually show you something which is going to be more useful. So I'm going to share my screen right now.

So if you're not a member of it, join this community that I set up. And so what this says, this is the Architecture Social. So it's Architecture, Social dot com. You can join it's all for free. And so what I've done here is I built out topics and the, in here right now, and Hey, how this could be useful to anyone.

Is that there's a job posting section. And so orbiter architecture, we're actually looking for a page three month internship for part one. Great apply. So that's one thing on the Architecture Social. So we have all these topics. We have topics here for career advice and questions, and as well as that, during certain times of the year, I will do CV and portfolio reviews probably soon coming up as well.

But the one bit that's probably going to be really useful for you guys, is that all this stuff I'm talking about, I'm actually building up here in the courses and resources section. Cause you can do everything on here. You can have a chin wag. You can message me at 1:00 AM at night, if you want, preferably not, but you could do if you want it to and I'll get him.

But the things we're doing is we've got all these courses, which are. Free way. That's quite cool. Isn't it? And so last year I did a course where all this information. So all the stuff that I'm talking about is here in more detail, down to the middle ground for free. So you can find all that stuff and you can join up now.

So if you're thinking, Hey, that guy had a thick, wild tracks, and I didn't understand half of what you were saying or how, I don't know. I was just like, you know, he was mentioning something about job boards. Are they still useful? I've done a whole video on my faults on job boards, but more specific to you guys.

Now that's 2020 that that's me living in the. Now we're going hyper speed. So 20, 21. Okay, cool. So I did this video here, which is probably going to be good for you guys, which is the same thing. How, oh my gosh. My face is everywhere. So annoying. Isn't it? How did it get a job during the pandemic? Check that one out where I literally go through it.

Um, there we go. Oh my gosh. Look, here's my face. But you can see, I literally go through the whole, whole job process in more detail. So that's that. And then last week and the week before I did an hour webinar about CVS. So in more detail, I reviewed CVS. What do you think about the graphic design? What do you think about the layout?

So all this stuff that we're talking about here is completely for free in this community. So, I mean, I'll cover a few more points, but that's the number one takeaway is that I want you guys to. Use the space have fun. Ask questions, think of it like your studio in between. So it's more like a little bit. I like in-between LinkedIn, but without, so I dunno, stuffy and boring and a little bit more helpful.

So you can check out all the videos I've done there. And as well as that, we have a few groups and stuff where you can hang out, play Dungeons and dragons and all this crazy stuff. So we're up, we've got, I think Westminster and MSSA MSSA is going to launch a space on there. So if you want your own space, you let me know after this.

So first thing, sign up to that as well. I can see a few people, um, uh, signed on. I will approve you all after this. Um, that's going to be useful because you're going to go in and out of all the information. But let me bring this up here. So these are the topics that I talked about last year and we can go through it.

What are you going to find is you got to think about the job process. So right now I'm probably not going to talk too much about interviews. I'll bring it back to my, to my agreement for a second. Here we go. So I'm probably not going to talk too much about interviews right now. Cause we're all at ground zero.

You're in universities. You're finishing your coursework. Are you getting ready or you're in your second year and third year. Okay. So the one thing you've got to think about right now when you're in uni is how can you be ready to jump the moment you hand in your, your work? How can you get ready to go?

So I want you to think about how can you optimize. The, um, the search. How can you be ready to jump? So when you finish working and when you finish, we're handed doing all university work, how can you get a job? Okay. And thanks for each Richie, Richie reaching your quiet. They going to say your name, like, come on, unmute yourself for one second.

Is it Arisha? Yeah. You said it correct? That's time. Alright. Alright, brilliant. Thank you. Right. Okay. So everyone here can get a job. Everyone here can get a job. So in the Architecture, Social, you've got all that free stuff to look on, but again, so I want you to think about now, how can you use your time so that when you finished all your uni work, you can get a job.

So start thinking about the software. Stop playing around with UCB in portfolio layouts, and start visualizing them. Of companies that you'd like to apply to. So top tip, think of your 20 dream architectural practices. And with them, you're going to do the, the BW of four. You know, you're going to hold it down and you're going to get your CV portfolio.

You'll do a nice, beautiful, tailored one for that. And for everyone else, I'm going to challenge you to do a thousand architectural practices. And so in the video, one of the things I linked them, there is a list. Okay. And I'll find it for you now as well. And it's called the Rebbe practices, nest. I believe the list 20.

Okay. So let me, I'll put the link in here guys. And so read this 20, this find them, here we go. So this is the most awful document adver. Okay. There's no fun around there. Right? This, there we go. I'll send you the link now guys. Don't. That's the Rebbe practices list. That's the list of like 4,000 practices in the, in the UK.

So if you add them are in a moment where you're looking at a job board and you're thinking, please, God put a job on, well, don't be that person waiting for the job board, go and apply to architectural practices directly. Cause I guarantee you, I think it was like a statistic I read in recruitment that, um, how attend jobs free them are posted on line.

So the, the remaining seven positions go go to people that have already applied to the company and they're sitting in the inbox or it will go to someone they know. Right. You know, and that on overtime, that network builds up. But you're all at ground zero right now, which is the, it's a bit scary, but it's the most fun bit because.

I was the 5,000 companies that I sent my job application to bizarrely the job I got in the end in 2009, was that EPR architects, which is at the time. And, you know, I've told them now I get along with them really well on friends for the management director style. I didn't know who EPR was. I was in my list or I was in my list of a thousand.

So they rang me up and I'm like, yeah, of course I played to you and EPR, it turns out they're like a top 20 company and I just got along with them. And I had people, I went to interviews and they turned me down, but it was like that thing of it was just, you know, it was the more CDs you sent the more you're okay with sending them out.

And then the more interviews I did, the more you learn, and then the end, I got a job which was a paid job and I was really happy with it so everyone can get, it can get a job. Let's just to recap the number one thing, the number one takeaway from it is to send your application to lots of places because it's a pandemic.

Okay. It's not because you're spamming things around. You're just going to create an unfair advantage for yourself. And you think of it less of you spam in because you've not spam in, you're doing some of the favor. If they can avoid spending money on a job boards and you applying directly, you're doing them a favor.

Think of it more like your approach is going to be that you're going to cover everywhere in the UK, but you're plan. Hi, this is me. I'm Stephen Drew. I am apart when Architectural Assistant, who is available immediately. I I've used rabbit. I've worked, I've done two weeks work experience in industry, but now I'm looking for a full-time job.

I've seen your work on your website. It's really interesting. I would love to hear, hear your thoughts on my CV and portfolio attached. Any questions? Uh, please let me know, look forward to hearing from you. Okay. Something like that. I just made that up on the top of my head where the simple, just saying who, what, where, when, why, who are you?

What are you? You're a part, one Architectural Assistant. Where are you looking? I'm looking in the London area, but I'm open to relocate. And when I'm available immediately on why I love your architecture practice, hire me. You know who, what, where, when, why? That's great. You don't want to go off on a tangent.

I love sustainability. And one day I'm going to dump. That's cool. But not for now. You've got to go to the crux and say who you are, what you are and how cause think about it from the employer's point of view, what is a job? A job is they need someone okay. Fulfill the requirement. And how would that be? It would be like, oh, I need a good part.

One who's friendly. And you know, they're smart. And hopefully they can stay with the company for a long time, but it would be great if they know rabbit. And there's that kind of thing where if you have that, remember you don't have to be the rabbit guru, but if you have that, that's a big advantage. Isn't it?

Because people and people be like, oh yeah, he's got the rabbit. And the other thing is to remember is that you're all people, um, and people buy people off. And that's a crazy saying that is used in sales, but what do I mean by that? And think about it. We view. I seen that I go on for an or even here we're talking, the one person that I've gravitated to in the audience is Rishi.

Who's got his video on cause he's smiling. And because it's a rapport that what you'll find in interviews is that when people get along with someone, that's why they hire someone. So they'll go. I met, Ricci's a really nice guy, super friendly, show me his design. He seems really smart. And he has the rabbit.

Let's hire him. And so that's how it works. So people buy with emotion backed by facts, but a big factor is if you know the software they use. Okay. And how do you get in the door? So all the stuff I'm talking to you about is to grab people's attention so you can get the interview. Okay. It's in the end today.

When you are that, that you grab the interview, it's there that you, you, you pull it over the line and hopefully you, you know, you're excited for the cause to say, now it's a virtual interview. You kind of make sure that the camera's a bit more level. You wouldn't have it like low down. We see you've got your double chin and you wouldn't have like cracky light and you need to kind of like, make it look profesh.

You know, you wouldn't wear something like, you know, I'd wear my little suit and I'd be super keen and excited. The more I would try to do is I would try to position the. Window on the monitor, closer to the camera. So it looks like I'm talking to someone in the room, or even talking out the camera, the fact that I'm doing to this, you now I'm smiling.

Probably you feel like there's a better emotional connection that when I start talking like this down here, and so it's all this kind of like submit. So it's all these little tricks that you can do. And I talk about that more than the Architecture, Social stop. Worry can check that out there. You can do that, but step one, you need to do all that.

And to get to that stage, don't worry about the interview because from now your goal is to get all the cool, interesting stuff. So it's just playing with stuff like rabbit showcase in your, um, hopefully stuff you're interested in like rhino and grasshopper, but it's not visual. I think it starts thinking in your head, like, how is my CVN portfolio gonna start looking like, and how is it shaping up?

And if you think there's a gap in a. What you have now, you've got a bit of time to like fill in the gap and hopefully get a bit of juicy, juicy goodness on that. So the immediate one, I think of, and, you know, sorry, I keep mentioning that, but rabbit is like the one, and I'll tell you if you know, rabbit, you will get snapped up.

So, so easily, so definitely worth checking out rabbit. Um, okay. I'm going to do a Roundup on by forts and then what we can do is fro it to questions in the audience and you can pick my brains for the next half an hour. Um, rule number one, unconventional guide. Send your CV to lots of places, not one or two.

You can, you can, uh, you can maybe do it, your custom CV to the 10 to 20 you're like, and then you're going to send your CV to a thousand. You're going to challenge yourself to a thousand. And now I put this offer out to everyone, but 99% of people don't take me up on there. If you message me and tell me how many CVS you've got, just keep telling me, give, make yourself accountable.

You can message me on the social. Say I've sent my CV, the 50 places. I'd probably reply and go cool. Send it to more, you know, I will reply. And normally I would charge like a hundred pound an hour to go from someone's career mentoring with them. But if you just write me a message, I will reply because I guarantee you most people won't.

But if you are that person who will message me and say that you've sent a hundreds of them, I bet you that you're the same person that does send a hundred and the next day since two hundreds, and I guarantee you that attitude will get you the job. So number one is attitudes. And to reinforce the attitude, you're gonna go from your comfort zone to sending like five CVS to 10 to 20, to 30, to 40 to 15.

And you're going to target companies which have no job applications. You're just going to apply to everyone. That's close to you. And you're going to build out the search. You can look at the rebar lists that I've said, um, uh, and great do that. Join the Architecture, Social, and you can look at the, you can look at all the resources there as well, and you can build it out from there.

So now start thinking about the software, start thinking about who you want to apply to. Take it from there really one step at a time. Worry about the interview when you've got an interview. Okay. Right now it's all about grabbing people's attention in a world where, um, everyone's too busy and too distracted.

That's Tinder. Isn't that too? A distracted, whatever. Got to grab people's attention. Whoa, what's this profile. This guy, CV portfolio. This girl amazing. She's got rabbit. I want to read that CV. She looks really friendly. Get the interview and then you sneak the job. So that's my ref loose faults in a way I'm here.

Any questions you have, feel free to shoot them at me and anything in particular you want to ask go, Fred, does anyone have a question? You can ask me what my favorite color is, or you can ask. Uh, maybe what does Grimshaw prefer in that application? I've got a rough idea, but, um, or you can ask me, what was the typical part one do or what did I do when I was a part one?

Any questions, feel free to find them my way,

making my life easy. Hey, it's a shot for questions. Just say them, just put them into the chat and I can say them for you. You want amazing. Yeah, absolutely. And don't worry about, like, if you feel shy, don't worry about it. I'm like no judgment here. We're all friends. And remember, think about it. Like when you're at a job search and you're all being busy at uni, no one told me how to look for jobs.

Right. And all this comes from experience. So don't feel stupid about asking certain questions because that's what I'm here for. And that's what I enjoy. The other thing to remember is that recruitment consultants. And that's what I do in my job. They're not going to be the best people to help you and the start of your career, because until you got to experience the best person to help you, it's like where I said at the start is yourself.

So that's what this whole thing is about, is about I'm trouble I'm trying to do is get the cogs going, thinking about the search differently. Because when I started the cert and thinking about the search, when I was, um, a part one, the unnatural thing you think of is I'm going to apply to, um, David Chipperfield, I'm going to apply to Grimshaw.

Cause I like, I love Grimshaw. So I did that. And then after that you don't hear anything because, so you've, I'm trying to like, re-engineer the cogs in a different way. So what render engines do you recommend? We've read that. Ooh. Oh, of course. We've got a few questions here. Isn't it I'll do them off. So what render and endurance you