Careers at Ackroyd Lowrie Architects, ft. Oliver Lowrie
By Stephen Drew
May 7, 2022
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Stephen Drew00:02

Hello, everyone. We're off the road. Where am I? Nobody knows. So

you just gotta be a little bit more. Get that sandwich. Come on, bear. Not that CPU got more interested in. You know what it's like, you know what we're up to it's Wednesday. All right. All right. Ten nine, eight, five four, three, two. So hello everyone. So I should look at the camera. My name is Stephen Drew.

You know exactly who I am and I'm trying to here. We have an awesome guests. I'm trying to follow by Larry. Now, just before we begin, this is a new thing. So we're learning all this stuff, but we go, and we're not just teaching anymore. We're not just on this. That's frustrating. We're in real life. We're in person.

So my guest is the fantastic Oliver Lowery off backward by the doorbell is going. Do you want to check? Who is out the door, Bruce? That deliberate event delivery.

Oliver Lowrie01:16


Stephen Drew01:17

that's a good time. All that is so good to have you here. How was your day going?

Oliver Lowrie01:22

Scared. Just get a couple of doorbells going. There's another thing though.

You got.

Stephen Drew01:29

We could get the dope out. Come on guys. Who's at the door, let's put it. We were saying,

Oliver Lowrie01:35

it's going to be like, um, MTV cribs. And it actually is not. It's sort of like Noah's house party. People randomly turning off the door.

Stephen Drew01:45

I love it. I love it. Well, everyone in the audience, you can join us on this matter of venture and you can put live in the comments and have a guest who has had accurate libraries.

But we got more important things than just the door. All of it. You want to tell me a little bit about the studio?

Oliver Lowrie02:01

Uh, yes. So this is we're in vine street in east London, um, Bethnal green. Um, we usually have around 30 staff in, but, um, being COVID times, I think we've got not so many in today, but you know, everyone's, everyone's gradually coming back.

So where we're at. Got easily around kind of 20 people in the office every day. So this is a big warehouse space that we took on the lease a 20 year lease a few years ago. And, um, we've kind of gradually rebuilt it. So we rebuilt the back roof with all this roof lights in. Do you want to just take us around?

Wow, nice double height space. And then we've got the other two floors, one of which Steven's on. So we had to do all these flights that kind of naturally ventilate use in the summer, which is nice. And, uh, we've got Martha here. Who's a associate director, um, um, will reflect. So, um, Marta is working on what are you working on?

I know we contemplate that. Yeah. So forget that one. Um, we're going to talk about coding though. This one is one that we can talk about. So this is Amazon. And this is a scheme, uh, which actually around the corner from our office here in Hackney. Um, and we'll just give you a little bit of, uh, information about it.

this is a mixture of scheme with commercial space.

Stephen Drew03:29

Uh, nice. This is a

Oliver Lowrie03:31

conservation area. Basically. We try to get useful

and stand out sometime by the

Stephen Drew03:42

Architectural or quantity.

Oliver Lowrie03:44

Um, I think it can see, we managed to really get a scheme that creating and response to the context and provides recommendations

Stephen Drew03:54

for excellent.

Oliver Lowrie03:56

All right, Jansen. Um, yeah, so that's really cool projects. That's in planning at the moment. I thought a committee dates, uh, in the next month or so.

Um, yeah, cause she's turned up. Let's get to see that's actually John's lens that he delivered to the office rather than oh no. So yeah. Yeah. I'm working on a scheme in west Bromage I forgot the name, uh, 240 units scheme around this really cool central courtyards. Um, so kind of, we've got quite a few schemes in the Midlands, um, of which this.

Um, big regeneration. Can you share the other, can you show it from the outside funky shapes going on with this project to look at that this is Yakob Mona Lisa it's. Um, we won't stop working on it. Uh, yeah, I'm trying to convince him to work on other things, but it's not happening. It's still happening.

This is Anna. Anna doesn't want to be on camera. And she said she wants to speak in Spanish. Um, she's working on a hundred units scheme in Wolverhampton, so it's another of a Midlands projects. Um, and this is actually starting on site pretty soon. And I do want to talk about it. Yes it's and it's a hundred residential building on your customer.

And maybe using, well, the materials, the materials are, um, to us, they are res so we are using re have for most of it. And then this kind of scene, which shows this kind of industry. Um, yep. Well, we are now in stage four, stage five. We are going to build this massive building. Um, this is Nick next brand new South Africa.

Yeah. So pretty deep. Yeah. Cool

Stephen Drew05:54

note sort of learning the ropes, but, um, yeah,

Oliver Lowrie05:58

we, uh, I think was based in Birmingham and Quizlet road. And also another project. This is onsite now. I think. So they started on site. Yeah. So

Stephen Drew06:13

pretty much doing, trying to resolve

Oliver Lowrie06:16


Stephen Drew06:16

padding details for clapping

Oliver Lowrie06:20

and yeah, that's basically been my headache for the week.

So, um, not much more about this project that I can tell you. Um, not this busy, she was going to start a really cool escaping recording, but, um, she's on the phone now. So this is , he's working on a scheme that we've actually bought the site of. So as well as Architecture, we made a foray into development. Um, this is a scheme that we, uh, slightly we bought in Harlow in joint ventures.

Um, planning consultants that we share offices with and yeah, that's how it's going to look in the end. Nice one going straight to the render. That was good. Um, so it's actually on the edge of a really cool like forest, um, calls, which, um, rectory word that was there. Um, and so what about units are designed to overlook?

Forest and then have this kind of planting going down the sides and, uh, yeah, that's it. So the forest is kind of going up the building. We're really excited about this. Cause we're the developer. We get to decide, you know, make decisions, uh, strategic as well as kind of design level. And we want to bring the forest up front of the building.

So that's what we're going to do. Thanks. So this is Joe. Joe is in the metaverse right now.

So we use VR, virtual reality as a design tool. And Joe's actually inside the Wolverhampton model, which is the one. Yes. The one that Anna was talking about, um, can you take us down the street level and just walk around? So there we go. We actually use this because we want to test out before we, um, before stuff starts on the side, we want to make sure that our designs work.

So we put our clients in here. We put planners in. It's really good. We actually go in there. We do multi user design sessions. So if I put on a headset, now I can go into the same model and a walk around with Joe and let him show me around and criticize or endorses design. Um, and it's, it's really, you know, it's a really useful way of designing, uh, and you can see it from above for me, the human human scale, the human level view is the best.

This is a magic feature that, that developed for client. Did he throw it in his offices here on the top of the building. And then he wants to have one of the flats on the other side of the building. And so he's asked us to design a retractable bridge, like Drawbridge go down and up, um, for his morning commute, which is pretty much, um, and enters when having to work out.

I was actually doing. I think she's enjoying, um, go upstairs now,

Stephen Drew08:56

have a look. What's happening in the studio.

Oliver Lowrie08:59

Let's see light bulbs, which were given to us by toddler who are next to me. This is very cool. Lighting designers.

Stephen Drew09:11


We might have to leave you here too. Yeah. All right. Thank

Oliver Lowrie09:21


Stephen Drew09:24

Thanks. Excellent. So welcome. All right, so we're all here. We're rolling. There we go. We got one anonymous comment from the audience ready, seen that I wasn't expecting. We asked face. That's awesome. So just before we jump into this story, do you want to tell us how you got to go in this seat?

Oh yeah. You got where you're right. So that's actually, it's all working.

Oliver Lowrie09:51

Yeah, you're a bit stressed out by it, but I told you it'd be fine. It will be fine. It's like silica rice. Now, you, you,

Stephen Drew09:57

you were fine, but this is new for me as well, because this is in person.

Oliver Lowrie10:02

You're a creature of habit. You are uncomfortable with change sometimes I know,

Stephen Drew10:06

but I kind of take to it at the site time.

So tell me, right. We've got to, I got to keep focused. I've got to practice my presentation skills in posts in real life. So I've got this asked to be functional for the audience as well. Everyone here, you can leave a comment and I can bring it up. So we've got the anonymous VR COVID, but if you want to ask all of that, a question, now's the time.

If it's an annoying question, I'm not going to bring it up on the screen, but if it's a good question or, you know, an architecture question or about the practice, we will do that. Maybe you want to just jump in and tell us how long the practice has been going for. Um,

Oliver Lowrie10:41

so this is, I think is a seventh year, seventh year.

And like I said, we've got around 30. So, um, now the scale of projects we're working on, so we've got kind of 240 units scheme that you saw downstairs, a hundred units scheme side. We've got the largest team working on the kind of master plan around a thousand units in some cases, Um, but you know, we started off doing house extensions and, uh, you know, really done everything between a house extension and a thousand year master plan, along the way, including I designed a funeral home, which was loud and I had to go around and I looked through the Morgan, the cold body still rooms when they were in use, which is pretty mad.

Um, we've done, uh, education, healthcare, uh, student Rezi. Co-work co-living, co-working lots of office. Uh, most of it's residential. Sort of mixed use development now. Yeah. We tend to work with developers mostly, but we also work with a few end users. So we've got a specialism in film and photographic studios and also in education.

We've worked a lot with end users. So we did quite few private schools for the Thomas' school. Um, so,

Stephen Drew11:45

and we'll get the boot, show it on the website while you're talking as well. Well, I absolutely love it. So there's so much going on so I can bring up here now, but get rid of the banner. But this is all the stuff that's been happening in the news and everything else.

And you can see. So when we're talking about these projects, so this is probably actually my favorite that's on the front and that's in Thomas's, right? No,

Oliver Lowrie12:07

St. Thomas's school is just Thomas, Thomas Thomas' family that run the school Tom's family. Um, and so that's the, was the old Royal academy of dance or in combat to see, and we're converting that into a private school for the Thomas this school.

Um, some other ones flying out that. So when Anton was shown lamb lane in. Very cool. Cause it's so close to our office. That it's Thomas' good again. And then I think there was some other ones that when you use the film photographic studio in Washington, now coach works. We've got hotel top, middle residential left region.


Stephen Drew12:41

them. I'll click this one, cause this is this apart. So I love Thomas's for avid coach works. This is probably one of the sexiest projects.

Oliver Lowrie12:50

Yeah. So this is when, when we started the company six, seven years ago. Um, this was like, you know, the, kind of the second project that we looked at weirdly, um, and, uh, his amazing client, um, Alva studios.

Uh, so Simon was, was one of the people that when you go on audio clash there, Simon friend who runs that company is one of the first people that we met when we set up our business. And I think, you know, we only really had one, one kind of other project going on. Um, and then we met Simon and. Now to live it's three or four studios with him.

Long-term client. And it's kind of revolutionized, I think the film photographic studio scene in London, I love him. He likes to provide very, um, high-end kind of back of house or front of house facility. So, you know, the shoot space is a big white box, but then everything on the, everything on the other side of it, everything that you would experience when you're eating, when you're getting changed, when you're having your hair and makeup done is very kind of, high-end sort of, so her house kind of style is modeled.

You know, he's he's he's now that they look amazing the spaces. Well, I

Stephen Drew13:54

brought it back to us cause I couldn't get YouTube to load up the beautiful project. Right. So in, I think that's awesome. So there's so many cool projects going on there, but what I'd love to know as well, we've got a few comments just to kind of break the ice here.

So size says, this is very cool. And Imran has got a question.

Oliver Lowrie14:15

Yeah, I know I've read it and I'm not sure what the answer is.

Stephen Drew14:18

What software is it? The VR? Well, I know a little bit. So your twin motion?

Oliver Lowrie14:23

Um, no, no, wait, the modeling we do in ArchiCAD and if it's got interior finishing often we will use sketch up, just finish it off, but it's mostly done in ArchiCAD.

That's our, we don't like, but we like that. Um, and then, um, we are now bringing in twin motion cause it goes back to back with, um, And that will be used for the VR, but at the moment, I think we're using power of the name, but I have to ask, and this is one that I might be lenient, lenient, but all the models are hosted on that platform on the server effectively.

It's like a tiny message versus only used black or Lowry. I love it basically because it means we can bring the, bring all that care on the road and do demonstrations in planners offices. And as long as we can. The wifi, then the model will load up from the portal. So I,

Stephen Drew15:14

to jump it's a jump. Yeah, we'll take, we'll take you away.

Uh, John, John wouldn't want to be on LinkedIn right now. We'd ambush him life, but, um, so there's so much, I love the office environment. You're a big believer in using tech to make these awesome and buildings. And that kind of gives a little insight of what it's like to work here. But you've been at this company has grown to like 30 people in the last seven years.

So who, in your opinion, um, fits in really well. What skills, when you're looking to hire people, what are the qualities that really fit in an accurate.

Oliver Lowrie15:52

Good question. So, um, in terms of software, because we chose to go AKI CAD rather than rev it. Yes. We, you know, there's less people that have the automatically qualify in terms of like competence of the software.

So, um, you know, for the kind of the part to a project architect role and even associate roles, we want people that can actually get their hands dirty in the software. And so often we're recruiting people with rabbit and then having to do. So this all plays not necessarily, you know, one of the primary things for us, it's like, you know, like gotta be used to the fast pace.

I think

Stephen Drew16:26

that's why I, that's why I work here.

Oliver Lowrie16:28

Right. Is at least it's Steven works with us and, and you love the, I do like, you know, it's, it's, it's entrepreneurial. Yeah. White streams

Stephen Drew16:39

on the go, working in hour,

Oliver Lowrie16:41

working out as you go along. . It's not your company is like jumping out of an airplane and trying to assemble your, you know, parachute on the way down.

And that is the exact truth. And so I think we like people that are like half fully going to join us in our mission and our vision and our high-level mission is that we want to build a company that delivers the cities of the future. We think they need to. You know, sort of zero carbon amazing places for the human experience.

And we're passionate about building a company that delivers them. So we want people that share in that mission mission. So we need to have this sort of like, you know, zeal about you, of wanting to change the world. You know, I think when you go into architecture, we, that you're going to change the world and then you realize you're gonna have.

When they're doing schedules for quite a few years, then you come out the other side of it. So I'm, I'm not back up the other side of it where I'm like, and I can change the world. In fact, just have to settle for doing later. Um, I was gonna swear them. I


Stephen Drew17:35

toilet. Yeah, I know she don't want to be in the toilet.

My stroke. You want to

Oliver Lowrie17:41

. That's why you never made

Stephen Drew17:42

it. I couldn't, I couldn't, I didn't want to do, I was too impatient. I didn't sit you're too distracted. So I was, I was very well, my problem is if I I'm quite interested in something, I don't have any attention span. And so they telling was. Um, that's interesting.

So that's, let's go back to that. Cause that's really interesting. So that's the kind of person that fits really well. So when the person joins you on your team, so it must be quite a varied role, right? I'm sure that on the date day of the. It's not a case of, it's a large company where you're doing a big airport and you do it, those, those schedules for like three, four months, how is the role there compared to larger companies?

Oliver Lowrie18:24

Yes. I think everybody that when they start with us and we staff Hamburg, It says you're the architect. It doesn't matter what role you're coming in at. We expect you to behave. Like you're an architect. You know, what that means for us is that, you know, architects needs to be responsible for lots of stuff and they need to be good at communicating.

Um, so it's like, we want people to have. The responsibility to take the lead. If somebody wants to be the design, you know, they desperately want to be like the designer on the project. I'm like, great. It's one less thing that I bought. I think the passionate person that comes in and they've got good ideas and they're able to communicate them really well.

And you know, what, what do you need? That's that's essentially, that's what being an architect is. So we don't want people that disappear into the background and want to be like small boats often doesn't work. When people come from larger practices where they used to sort of a bit like your background.

You know, stand up, make their ideas heard, uh, and communicate them effectively. Um, and that's, that's what we want. We want, we want architects. Yeah. Every role we, you know, if you're a part one and you're thinking of applying, just, you know, treat yourself like you're an architect already. That's, that's what we want.

We want everybody to be driving the business forward

Stephen Drew19:34

and it's quite an exciting time in that way. Cause it's. Actually a bunch of internal promotions as well. So fill me, fill me when I got to my phone off as well, but fell me and for the general public as well. So now they we've got so. The director soon to be in the associate, which like, I shouldn't really,

Oliver Lowrie19:56

it's a further three, the other way around some motors just been promoted to associate director.

And then below that is part of the senior team is. For Societe, uh, and then below that project architects and kind of parties, but I, you know, the way that we wanted, if we, if our company strategy was running perfectly, we would only really, um, bring people in at part two and architect level. And then we would just kind of promote them internally, obviously that, you know, we have to sometimes do promotions.

Hiring at a senior level as well, but like we want, we've got kind of, yeah. An academy. If you like within the company to try and educate people and bring them from part party level, up to an architect, that's kind of project architects, senior architects, and then associates. So we ideally would just want to do the kind of money knighted academy where you produce staff

Stephen Drew20:49


Isn't that

Oliver Lowrie20:49

the, um, well, the academy, what is up and running? So we've got an internal kind of. Um, yeah, the university system at the moment doesn't really produce office ready candidates, and that teaches them some skills, but not really the ones that you're going to need in most businesses, but particularly ours.

So instead we've got our own kind of education. And that applies to you. Whatever level you come in at your onboarding is pretty well defined now. And we want to teach people what our design processes. And I think what I'm very keen to not do is tell people how to design or what to design it. Sorry, I don't want to the topic what to design and I want to teach them how we do the process and then allow them to adopt that and use it.

And so if you followed the, if you follow the process that we say. And I follow it and you follow it. I'm looking at two different sites. We're going to end up with two different buildings, right? Because the process should allow you to come up with the solution that's right for the site. So we believe that buildings belong in the place that they are.

And therefore you have to look first at the, you know, you look after, look at the site, you have to look at what's around the site and you should be getting your design ideas. From the things around you plus the client. So the client cut, plus the context equals the concept and then the concept should then drive all of your design decisions from stage one to post.

Five. And if you followed that process, if I followed that process and one site and I follow it on another site, they'll come up with totally different design solutions. So that's something we want to teach people like a process of what they should be looking at and thinking about, because we want to give people confidence.

Yeah. So often people come into the company they be doing, they went to university, they designed to. For themselves with some tutors that gave them some weird feedback. And then they did a lot of scheduling and, oh, this is just what architecture is. It's like, you know, room, data sheets, or whatever, insert, slightly boring task that you do it part one party.

And then when we get them back, we teach you to fucking believe, oh, sorry, sorry, LinkedIn. Teach you to, uh, you know, believe in luck in your own design skills. Yeah. But these are the steps that we go through and building people's confidence. So, you know, from part one level, getting them to design whole buildings process.

Um, and I think people love it. And within a few months, I think they become very confident and comfortable. Yeah. Yeah. These big design decisions, because the process helps them understand what the, this was the right decision.

Stephen Drew23:15

I like that. And from the outside, because it's been a while since I've loaded up right there and like, it's been awhile now.

I wouldn't mind having a go. At some point, I still got one friend who's. I will. And he's like, you ain't got to come back. If

Oliver Lowrie23:30

it could be anywhere it's going to be here.

Stephen Drew23:33

Can you imagine me in the park for you were baby though. They were like, Steve, you kind of had a little bit of a segue, but

Oliver Lowrie23:41

a qualified uptick.

You get back into design. Wow. Well,

Stephen Drew23:44

this is what the interesting bit is because actually the AI academy in that. Would see, because I don't fit right now at the standard status quo of one part

Oliver Lowrie23:54

to the problem. We've set it up in grades and there's no, there's nothing on our description of what you need to move from one 11 to the next responsibility.

None of those things get dropped off this intentional because we have people in our company that they aren't going to go down the route of becoming RFE qualified. And that's fine. It doesn't hold them back from, excuse me, being an associate or, you know, being a managerial role. None of these things need to, you know, you don't need to let us off your name to do that.

And so we believe your point with people based on the talent that they've got and the responsibility that they want to take on whether they are a qualified architect or not within our company, doesn't hold you back from these promotions. And we're very clear about that. Our grading system, doesn't say architects.

If you did want to dust off your, you know, your, your big clunky mouse thing and start designing stuff, we would just tell you what the next things you needed to do to be able to step up are great though. I like.

Stephen Drew24:51

And what I like here as well. So there's, you can be technically on paper or part too, but you can be running projects.

And with that, you will get the responsibility, the autonomy, the support, and the financial reward in line with what you deliver. Right. It's not a case of, yeah. You're technically a part two until you do you pop free piece of paper?

Oliver Lowrie25:12

You, you, yes, that's true. But at the same time, that's true. If you're not going down that route, I think if you all going down the route of DePaul for you.

You know, there's yeah. When you bought three, you get paid, I suppose you do. Like, you know, yeah. You've got caught for it. So I think that that is, but if you, if you were somebody who's just going, no, I'm not going to date the cost or anything, but I want to become a senior person then, you know, we can give them a pass for that as

Stephen Drew25:34


Yeah. Well, they love it. We got Ava in the audience, which has said, hi guys, thank you for doing that. So you invest in people. It's not only about getting the job done yours, the old mentality of growing the business with the people. So I think I know what Eva means here and yes you do. I don't think so. I don't think that I think CAPAs upload within the fact of support and paper rather than the old mentality.

So thank you way, but, uh, we appreciate. So I do a quick reminder here. X it's probably a nice halfway sideways or anyone in the audience that wants to do, add any comments or ask all of us some questions. Then we can do, you can also ask me questions from probably not as interesting in this one. Cause we've gone.

Hey, I've got you here for now.

Oliver Lowrie26:27

Pre-made David's question. And um, yes, we invest in people. So as well as we pay for people's part three bucks, so then we want people to kind of specialize. So, um, we want people to pursue like further. Learning off to fall three and we'll invest in that as well, because we want people to have that knowledge specialisms, eventually that own profiles.

I think that's, that's

Stephen Drew26:49

important for them. I like that. So you've kind of. People who are interested in VR can pursue that as well, become the NRSV RX. But what does that mean? I am the post on the phone expert.

Oliver Lowrie27:02

You're the head of our recruiting. I am, I will take the, I was at the moment. Yes. Yes. Head of talent.

So they see techno Steven has a role with us and you do more than just recruit from the people. Um, you're very good. So barometer for those once you've called people in the door, it's good. You can go and touch base with them. They're getting on. Well, you also are good at giving us insights of what the market is doing, and that allows us to then tailor our, like, you know, the benefits that we offer our team around.

What is competitive. When people doing surveys. Yes,

Stephen Drew27:37

I've done. I've done my surveys, but you know what? I'm actually looking forward to it. Not be really open yet because it's quiet. Cause I really enjoy being here. I also run my own business as well, and that can be really lonely. So it's like, it's going to be so fun this Friday.

Cause we're all going to go out and for anyone to see. I've been actually properly doing dry January. And so normally there's like a Friday and everyone has a bit of laughing and winding and we'd been so, but Joe's however, Friday we it's dry it's January. Cause it's January 28th, but it is kind of

Oliver Lowrie28:10

again, it's over for me.


Stephen Drew28:13

So on that point, cause I think it's important. I mentioned we went to Paris very lucky time in because it was just before the next lockdown came. It's really good that you go on holidays and stuff as well. So as, has it been a challenge, um, especially during the pandemic, keeping that fun vibe going, you've tried in certain ways and this work, but it's

Oliver Lowrie28:35

always been

Stephen Drew28:37

a zoom.

Zoom is boring

Oliver Lowrie28:41

after a while. Well, I think, you know, part of the vibe here is everyone's young. Like makes me feel. Twenties and thirties, I think John's only, but there's a couple of people that are in the voice, but like mostly it's, it's younger. And part of the vibe has always been that we partied together and we weren't, you know, we work hard and then we would play hard together to take people to Valencia, Barcelona and Paris and Amsterdam and wherever else we're taking the bus and we probably on a Friday and it'll go out together and it's part of the bonding.

So, yeah, look, that was really hard. Um, you know, individually for me because it's social people. And then also as a business, trying to keep the vibe. We were very quick to pivot. We, I think we dealt with. Um, better than most companies, because a lot of, uh, um, you know, we're focused around technology. So we were very comfortable with just like, we kind of gave headsets to people and where we're using VR to communicate, which is cool.

And then we try and keep the social going with Friday, Friday drinks, online and stupid quizzes around our house. So we had one day where we, he made the cocktail making. Yeah. And then it was so strong and it was so pissed at, and he was like, right at the second task is like, you've got to do a treasure hunt in your own house.

Stephen Drew29:47


Oliver Lowrie29:47

put it down, you didn't have that much cocktail. So it was fun. It was actually quite hard.

Stephen Drew29:52

Well, good, good. I for much nation that's, it's kind of cool that. Now, I mean, part of the excellence we're doing at the moment, as well as that, when people come back to the office, obviously you're good with the hybrid and flexibility, but it's probably making it a fun environment

Oliver Lowrie30:06

as well.

I can't really tell people to come back at the moment. So instead, which I make the office is, you know, the yeah, yeah. Fight. If

Stephen Drew30:13

they want

Oliver Lowrie30:14

to come, it's fun. If you want to come see. Uh, reef terrace out there. Yeah, I,

Stephen Drew30:22

yeah, you can turn it around. So there's a little roof terrorists.

Oliver Lowrie30:26

No, it's okay. It's fine.

Stephen Drew30:29

I've got like my hidden orange trappers in there as well.


Oliver Lowrie30:34

we've taken it out there and then we get people table. Oh, I've got pictures of this.

Stephen Drew30:38

Yeah, the staff pie. And of me go get that now. So let's bring it back to record library. So there's join the team pack. There's a few social images here. So I'm here. Look in the corner. Hey, and this is when it was safe.

This is where it's like one of our really good, fun and absolute, like good laugh in good weather. And this was one of the rare occasions as well, because I think like probably a month after we went back into another lock that. Oh, there you go. So we do try to have a bit of fun as well. I've got, um, it's only fair.

I bring up everyone's question because, um, he did ask a little while ago when he says does the same ideology apply to Architectural technologists? I G I E run in project. So do you want to expand all the way on how the technical team and technicians and technologists fit in that corollary?

Oliver Lowrie31:28

Yes. Can you apply.

Stephen Drew31:31

Yes. You mentioned that I'm waking CPM out, but I barely ever recruited. So watching. I had try and disconnect you from the conversation. So everyone, um, do send through your application. That's

Oliver Lowrie31:45

over. Yeah. So it's about the job you want to do. Not the name, honestly, Natalie, one of, uh, well, she's a qualified graphic designer and her dad's an architect and she knows how to use our software.

And there's no, you know, the sky's the limit in terms of she's just, but she's not going to end up. Paul teapot three. Cause he hasn't done it part one, but it just doesn't matter. And the same with the technologist. I think for me, the, you know, the company needs to be a childhood appropriate company, but the individuals within it, you know?

Yeah. It's kind of a mix. Me personally. I don't see it as, as, uh, something that should hold you back. If you don't want to go down the route of getting a part three, you, but you still want to be heavily involved in. The design and delivery of buildings, because it's about the passion, enthusiasm and what you'd want to do and what you want to take on.

So yeah, just apply these because we're looking for,

Stephen Drew32:40

well, look at run to send your application through, um, As talk the techie question, close to home and conversations. Do you have an opinion related to an at T Architecture when we can do a two-way thing on this? Cause I, can

Oliver Lowrie32:55

you go first because

Stephen Drew32:57

I've got total opinions you're right.

But so then it continues. Do you think there'll be a real opportunity for future architecture? So my opinion is yes. And yes. And I'm working on something on the Architecture Social. So I don't know. Where the space is going to go, but I think you've got to experiment with it. I do think there's a massive.

Um, opportunity there for people to get creative and I'm looking to do something in the Architecture Social. Now, the thing is with NFTs for me is the real challenge is how to bring real purpose in real life attached to this NF teams. So with the social, how can an MFT. How people with they careers.

That's really the brief. I don't really know all the answers yet, but that's how I look at it. Now all of a, you might have a completely different perspective because you're practically running the practice and the union is

Oliver Lowrie33:49

a bit different to the opportunities that I see in the metaverse. Yeah. Um, there's one that'll

Stephen Drew33:55

fit for you, isn't it?

It's the mat

Oliver Lowrie33:56

versus what entities are at the moment, which tends to be like two dimensional tokens. That's not the limitation. So I think for me, blockchain is going to be a very important part of the property market in the future, because I think the transactions are going to be captured by blockchain.

NFCS all kind of, you know, they blocked it and they're using blockchain to establish the ownership and the venue of something. And I think property is the most obvious thing that would be captured with. It's a property in the real world, I think will eventually be controlled by blockchain instead of the land registry, which brands created.

So that's one thing I think, because then you could do fundraising for development projects using. And if T's, that are actually related to the, you know, the physical building that you're going to build. So you can sell off plan with NFTs because it's like such a secure way of making sure that you're going to end up with the property.

The end. It makes obvious sense. You have then a kind of digital twin, the metaverse that is a digital twin of the building that you're going to build. That means that you can then. Input into the design of it, because you can be like you observing design is evolving in its digital twin version before it's even built on site.

So that's kind of cool. I always say, you know, those are just two applications. We're very interested on judging a competition, uh, on a metaverse Architecture. That'd be fun shortly with rib

Stephen Drew35:11

you, or there'll be a widow VO that say

Oliver Lowrie35:14

that's the one. Um, so yeah, it's a space that we're really interested in.

Some of our clients are very keen. Um, developers, uh, keen to buy off, um, space in the metaverse and get us to design things in, you know, again, there's no reason to use an architect. So I think for, I think there'll be games, design game designers end up being the architects of that metaverse space, because I think they're better.

Yeah. Designing, understand the platform and they were. Um, so I think I'll have to, it might be a bit out of it, but at the same time, there's going to be the opportunity for kind of brands to work together. So, you know, Zoho, for example, they're, they're already session in that area. You're selling their kind of the brand association in, um, spaces in the metaverse where people want to have like, uh, an experiential retail, you know, thing.

That's kind of what they're selling at the moment. I think there'll be lots of that. So I think car shopping for cars for conflict, it will be done in the metaverse in five years. What about the go-to cost sharing and you can go and put on a headset and look around it. Yes. You might want to drive it at some point, but like for the.

With a headset. So then that means you're going to have to build a virtual

Stephen Drew36:23

virtual car showroom, buy a flat of fan, right?

Oliver Lowrie