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Um, but he said for some, that's probably just infection and he gave me tonic, which is a floater corner. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you were in fight or flight pretty much every day, all day because of this. And, and the symptoms started almost immediately. And I had no idea what was going on. Inspiring stories of hope through healing.


All right, Jason here from Flocksy hope I'm with the guest of mine today to talk about his story, his journey. And I'm going to let him introduce himself and give you a little dialogue on, uh, on what happened to him. Cool. Um, thank you, Jason, for having me. I mean, I've known you for a while and, uh, and I mean, your, your, uh, Facebook page has helped me immensely, you know, especially from the positivity side.


And I actually stumbled onto your page. I would say a little bit more than halfway through my journey. Um, but , um, I live in South Africa, Cape town, um, and yeah, I've been damaged by fluoroquinolones in, I would say my first tablet I took in November, 2015, um, in a very unfortunate sequence of events took place after that.

Um, I'll start by saying that what really happened is I went for a routine checkup, you know, I mean, in medical world, everybody will tell you that, you know, you have to do checkups. You're 35, you know, male. Um, you have to have your checkups done annually. And that's really what I did. I had no issues. Um, and I went to see a physician in a well-known hospital here in Cape town.

Um, it was my second visit to him. Um, And he did his routine checks and he picked up what, um, uh, white blood cells in my urine. And that thing that just escalated. And at the same time, he said to me, art, it could be many things. Um, it could be an infection. It could be, um, I can't pronounce the word, but inflammation of the bladder, um, it could be cancer.

It could be so many things and I'm like, you know, what's going on. Um, but he said, listen, it's probably just the infection. And he gave me telephonic, which is a floater color. Uh, I think it's a level Quip. Um, just in case I have an infection and then yeah, that's where it started. Um, I developed symptoms soon after that.

It's okay. If I just carry on like this. Yeah, totally fine. Yeah. Just keep pushing on. Sure, sure. Um, and also if I get too long winded interrupt me. Um, but basically. I ended up going onto the antibiotic for about seven and the symptoms started almost immediately. And I had no idea what was going on for me.

It started in my lower back. I had lower back pain and muscle pain. I felt like I, I pulled a hamstring. Um, but I didn't know what was supposed going on. Um, I also was very anxious, which is not my nature. Um, I, I, I've got quite a stressful job and I've always managed face very well all my life. So it was strange to me anyway, I'll force forward from there that escalated.

I mean, I ended up with a neurologist who was, I had a cystoscopy done, which was a very invasive procedure during that procedure. They gave me the, um, Intravenous, um, fluoroquinolones the neurologist also, um, despite tests turning, turning up negative continued to give me supper by, um, and this all happened over a period of about, I would say six to seven months and the symptoms just escalated.

Um, I'm pretty strong. I think. Um, and very active. Um, I love sports. I'm a triathletes. I do biathlons at national level, um, as a veteran. So I've done all those things. So for me, it was very strange and these things happening in my body. Um, and then, so I started in November, 2015 and I never really had the tendon issues, which was quite strange in hindsight, but I had a lot of native neurological and muscle issues.

Um, and the anxiety. At some point, um, Jason, I at work, um, I mean, now I've got phenomenal people working for me, but I ended up sleeping, taking naps underneath my desk and lock my door and hiding it from the big boss kind of thing, just to get through the diet was in South Africa, you know, and you know, you have a good job, you have to hang on to it.

Um, And my colleagues helped me talk are two very solid guys working for me who sort of like, um, helped me get through that difficult time. I lost 14 kilograms. Um, and yeah, I mean the symptoms, most of them I had in 2018, no 17. Um, I thought, I mean, I, Oh, by the way, I ended up getting tested for multiple sclerosis.

Um, MRI scans. Cause I lost feeling in my left hand, I couldn't pick up was my left hand. Um, and the doctors were quite worried, so I got tested for that, but they couldn't pick up lesions. So they said, no, you probably don't have it. We don't really know what's going on. Blood tastes, I mean, carried on for about a year.

And at that point, um, I, I started thinking to myself, listen, you've been on it so often in your life, just Google antibiotic poisoning and what popped out this, but hope that you've been down and so many other people. And on top of it was flooded. Woodland toxicity. And from there, I actually ended up on flux.

You hope I ended, um, on the flux toxicity group at that point in time, I realized this is exactly what's going on in my body. Um, in hindsight in 2015, all it was Jason was inflammation of my prostate because I cycled with a bicycle with a small saddle. And I, all I needed to do is get a wider set and, um, that would have sorted me out and they would be held for 12 months, not one doctor asked me, listen, and this doctor knew I'm a cyclist.

He knew I'm a sportsman, but they not interested, you know, in your story, which was for me, very frustrating. Um, so yeah, I mean, then I Googled that. I realized that I'm not going to get any help from Western doctors. Um, And from there, I proceeded to get into contact with the natural path who lives on a farm in the middle of nowhere against South Africa.

At, at the time I visited him was middle early 2017. I could barely walk 300 meters. Um, none, I had no energy and I had so much fight. He immediately said to me, look, we got to sort out your guts. We've got to sort out your diets. And he put me on a whole supplement. Um, and I can go into that if you want me to, but that's within a month, I got my energy back, but then the pain in the surface, um, I actually, that was October, 2017, but as soon as I got my energy back, I started running or slowed walks slowly, um, which ended up going into a slow jog, swim again of my first swim.

That I woke up that next morning and I lifted my arms and was blue with micro-tears underneath my arms from the, from that swamp escaped the living daylights out of me. And then I stopped that for a while, but I managed to over a six month period, get myself into a fitness level where I, I actually won soul by now national championships as by athlete.

But then after that I crashed completely entertained them, started my kidney statements backed up and in February, 2018. Um, and from there it got really bad again. And I just realized that this thing is cycling, you know, it's because it comes back and if you're not on top of it all the time, you know, you can get hurt.

But at that point, I think, um, I realized that I got to look after my body. I have to eat healthy. I had to take my supplements. I have to stay up clear from toxic exposure, which I did for about a year. And gradually I rebuild my body through that time. And I think Jason, I might get my dates wrong, but I think it's about a year and a half or two years ago.

I stumbled onto, um, your Facebook page or we became acquainted. And you mentioned you're going to start page. And it's at that point where I, I also worked out that my relapse, this is very much linked to stress and, um, and I have to thank you. They, I mean, at that point I was a very positive person. I kept on going.

I kept on training. I refused to stop, um, listening to my body and I have to put that out there. I mean, you have to be so careful you can hurt yourself. Um, and I was, but I kept on moving. Um, and I started meditating. I worked on my positivity and I actually went off the other Facebook pages for a while because I mean, there's so many sad stories and when you're in such a place, you can't always help people.

And, um, yeah, I think the positivity made a big difference and I started managing my stress and long story short, and then I'll stop talking. And this year I've been in contact in October. I actually had a good stent for about three to four months where I, I ended up running again. I think I ran about 700 kilometers in 2020, which for me was a huge amount with my background, with the toxicity.

And then suddenly in October, November, I got this incredible nerve pain in my legs, which, um, was debilitating. I mean, I thought I had COVID for awhile and I got tasted that wasn't the case. I w I couldn't walk up two flights of stairs and I was down. I had such pain in my, the lactic acid buildup in my muscles was terrible.

I went on a holiday and I mentioned to you, that's when I, I picked up on one health and I started the one more breathing. And within a week, the pain was gone. And at that ended up researching what he does as also the cold boss, the cold showers. And, um, the fact that you're breathing can alkaline your body.

If you do it properly within 10 minutes, think the oxygen, getting to my nerves with the deep breathing and the consistent, I would do it five, six times a day. Um, once or twice passed out on a mat actually while holding my breath too law. Um, but that's made a huge difference and also manages my stress.

So long story short, it's been a five-year journey with. The first two years being terrible. I didn't know what was wrong. Um, and then after that, gradually working out how to improve and heal my body, um, with the help of many people on these groups. And that includes you guys, and I have to have to give you thanks.

I mean, just listen to your podcasts and your videos and reading your posts made a big difference, especially space in the last year. Um, and yeah, I mean, healing as possible, absolutely possible. I just also my oat taste, which you also recommended I do. And the good news for me is my mitochondria seems healthy.

The last four or five years of rebuilding. Um, my issues are linked to fungus in my gut, which I need to sort out, um, little bit low vitamin B two and six, I think. But that's about it. Um, so I'm very, very grateful. Um, yeah. Healing is possible. Yeah. Yeah. And healing healing is a very broad word, right? Like, cause everyone has their own path to wellness.

Yeah. How are they, how are they going to get there? And, um, I've always felt that the easiest way to get there starting off every day, by just believing it, you know, you're going to get there, you know, so Jason, I need to add this just to, I've got covered as I such. Yeah. Um, and my body, because I'm both, I, I, by the way, I have to mention, I haven't been on wasting medicine for more than three years.

Not even an anti-histamine not even a pain tablet. I don't touch the stuff. And I think the reason I've only covered because my wife is a little bit sick, but she's okay, but it didn't affect me at all. And I had tested positive, but I'm, I'm fine. And I'm on day 12, which is incredible. If you look off to your body, your body looks off to you.

Yeah, you must have antibodies built up. So, um, the medical system completely failed. They failed me. I had a epididymitis suspected prostititus and all there really was, was just like a viral I'm sorry. Like a bacterial load in my body from Lyme disease. And it's a disease. It's like a side effects to having that.

And all they had to do was just tell me to rest more and stop being so athletic and clinic not give me the antibiotics. Same thing in your case, they just didn't look into it enough. Absolutely. And it said, said, that's it that's the life that we'll be living? Yeah, it is. It is sad. I get so frustrated with the medical system and how overwhelmed they are and every country in every place.

It's all the same. Yeah. Yeah. We actually had Jason, um, maybe just to add about in 2019, and I don't know if you ever saw the. The the broad cost, but on flux, we put the link on there for a while. I don't know that, but it's probably one of the base described, um, investigative journalistic pieces on flop, floated and toxicity.

What we stand in South Africa, in fact, relatively done. Um, I know, I don't know if you know, what's the guy from the does name. Baker is a huge, um, Activist will come to me now, but it's one of them. Was it Charles Bennett or like a doctor or an admin? He's uh, um, I think you're friends with him even, but I'll come to him, but he lives in Canada.

Who does rallies and stuff? Yes. Mark actually came back saying he, one of the best pieces he's seen, it was almost half an hour piece. And what happened is I managed to get through to these guys after two years of trying, and they interviewed about four people in South Africa with the toxicity and within a day of African health or this issue, the warnings, and they improved on the warnings.

But it's just so sad that you have to get this onto TV. And half people will ask questions. I mean, the month after that, I got bombarded with calls with people who realized that the extra flu women toxicity and not so much in disease, you know, um, which is, which is why scaling is just get, get the word.

Yeah, it really is. And it's sad because the drug is actually a simple way to understand how it works and how it poisons the bias. Right. It's got the fluoride and then it's got the DNA effects, no metal control. So it's, it's sad that it, like, if I can figure it out from a few, you know, Google peer reviewed studies, I don't know why these doctors can't do it the same or at least politicians and these government officials, it's, it's frustrating to do the least.

So, um, going forward as you yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been doing, yeah, I understand how it works. You know, I get some issues like you do like a fungus and mold and all that stuff. And my, my God has been the worst part about this. My guts never really, uh, Bounce back and I've thrown everything at it and I'm almost there, but, uh, you know, it, it just feels like I can't catch a break.

I go up and I go down, but I understand how it works and relapses and all that. And I, I mitigate problems as much as I can, which is, which is I think, um, something going forward that we all have to realize going through this. I don't think that anyone is, uh, comes out of this unscathed. I think we're changed for the better, of course, because we learned all these things, but, um, Listening to your body, like you said, is very important.

It's one of the most important things I've learned and just being positive, you know, where we're all in here together and sharing knowledge and advice is helpful in this podcast could probably help a lot of people too. No, I hope so. I hope so. I mean, yeah, I was supposed to be lives to say. And when you feel better, you tend to forget for that, you know, for awhile.

Yeah. You've mentioned that in one of your videos or podcasts as well, but then you need to tap into that and to enjoy it and build that positivity and that good feeling, I suppose. Yeah. I go for walks like that. I've never been able to jogs and it's, um, astounding. When I look at my watch and it tracks my steps and I'm like, Holy crap.

But then I'll have some pain later and I'm not used to that. So I get like this, uh, this fearful PTSD of, Oh my God, something's going to break or. Am I going to be in pain for the next three weeks, but that's a very normal thing to think going through this and to be okay with that is a huge thing to, to, to handle, but it it's, it's built me to be a better, a better person.

So I think you're right. I mean, for me, at some point I also went off on trying everything I ended up in. I mean, you know, I think I've mentioned that to you. I've been injecting myself, you know, into my yield. Mm, uh, BBC one, five, seven, I dunno, really helped, but, but the links you go to to try and fix yourself is quite incredible.

And. Sometimes you have to take a break from that. You sit in one of your recent books, you have to take a break from, you know, everything, you know, if you don't do that. And since I've been doing that, I'm actually better off. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you were in fight or flight, uh, pretty much every day, all day because of this and, um, being on this Facebook groups and reading those negative stories, it just reinforces that mindset and then it just stresses you out.

And then, uh, of course you're going to feel like crap. I mean, If you're, if you're thinking you're, you're damned and you're going to be sicker and you're going to get worse, then it's probably going to happen. You reinforcing that thought. So I just tried to tell people, just go do the, you know, go do breathing work, or spend time with family and laugh and love or call a friend.

You know, this, this is very isolating. I didn't talk to anyone for maybe a year. And then I was like, you know what? I gotta get out. Get out of my own way. I also hid in my house for months because I couldn't let my parents see me the way. I mean, like I said, I lost 12 kgs and my dad, the worry a lot, you know, and I didn't want him to see me like that and trying to hide it and protect them from worrying and your point, it's actually a wrong thing to do you need that support?

Yeah. I mean, if, if I could have done this all over, if I could have done it all over again, I would have just got off Facebook groups and just, uh, got very, um, Connected with earth and family and friends and like grounding and breath work and meditation, you know, food, food can be medicine, but food can be poison.

So that's a tricky, uh, suggestion to look at because you know, there's so many people saying so many different things, but, um, you know, I think. I mean, you've become so stressful. Yeah. The food intolerances, I bet to this day, he would probably still have some, some weird issues with food, right? No, I mean, it's a, it's a strange road to be on, but what are some of the biggest roadblocks in the past, you know, six years you've, you've found yourself just hitting a wall that you just couldn't figure out or anything that was in your way.

No. Look, I think the initial one was the fact that I didn't know what was wrong. Um, um, then after that, um, I, I, I was so positive often the nature that saw me and he told me, look, this, this can be fixed. Um, but he even didn't really understand he was dealing more with cancer patients. And what do you mean patients?

The three monthly similar, um, For me, it was once I've worked at arts, um, I felt like I I'm, I'm moving forward then for about six months, I felt like I'm improving because I was in such a bad place. And then, you know that you mentioned that just now thinking that you will be your old self eventually. Um, I, I was like, I was going to win both, um, in the biathlon and I was for it.

Um, but then having to that was the most difficult thing since 2018, I haven't been competitive at all. Um, but I'm very thankful that I can run again and I can swim and I can cycle. I just need to manage the load. I suppose someone working out what is wrong. Number two, getting onto the healing path name, hitting the wall with not getting to my old self and then having to make peace with that and then to celebrate life again, I suppose after that.

And I think I'm in that space now you're coping in a good day. Um, really, really good at the moment since I've been doing the breathing and all that. But, um, No. I don't know if I'm answering your question, but, um, yeah, that's it's too, you see all the negativity, there's some people are really, really bad about that stuff.

And I can't work out whether I'm just lucky or whether I've done the right stuff and someone else maybe didn't because you don't really know what people do. I cheat often. I mean, I had a whiskey area tonight and I probably will feel it tomorrow. Might be taking a lot, but they don't tell you that from the Facebook groups.

And so it's very difficult, I suppose. There's a lot of contradictions and controversy. And, um, I myself have caught, caught my own fair share of, um, Facebook messages from angry people that I didn't, you know, it's just like, I try to tune it out, you know, if, if I'm not helping you, I'm sorry. But, um, th there's no right way to do any of this.

I don't think, but I, I can say the universal thing that I've seen help. 99% of people is, is being okay with this, that the situation you're in and just being positive about it. And just being like, you know, you know, I can cycle, I can walk, I can run, can't do a biathlon, but at least I'm not worse. You know, at least I can enjoy some of the things that make me feel human that make me tick, make me, make me feel like life is worth living.

And that's amazing, right? I mean, Yeah, well, Jason, what I will say the, the positivity side of things. I mean, it sounds like, uh, uh, you know, it's a brief 80 feet in word, but science behind it for me personally, um, to have stress hormones released in your body consistently. Now fluoroquinolones trigger that for me.

I was never, I was a very calm, relaxed, happy person before, you know, . Since then I became an anxious, most stressed person, because I'm worried about my health. I'm worried about providing for my family and all those things, and that's escalated into my body consistently producing this poison. That's why I really believe that if you have a more positive outlook as an additional method of fighting this toxicity, it's crucial.

I can't. If your body doesn't have to detox. Stress hormones, or you give it a break, you know, can focus on detoxing, other stuff, you know, that you can't control. So since I've been more positive and focusing on the positive things and trying to manage stress through breathing and meditation, I've seen huge improvement and I'm a much happier person for it, even though I'm not the same person I used to.

Yeah. This was one of the most humbling experiences you'll go through, you know, like people that have cancer and these huge health problems. It's humble. It makes you humble and makes you realize how important things can w it makes you realize how small the things you worried about before this happened really are.

Absolutely. So you were talking about the Wim Hof method that the breath work, and I'm a big believer in that because it does reduce lactic acid buildup and it, it, you know, it stimulates the sympathetic nervous system, which is that a. That mild fight or flight response, but in a good way, um, without triggering too much cortisol production and, you know, it's, uh, it's, it's beneficial and it's been, it's helped you apparently, right?

Yeah, absolutely. I've also read the book. Um, Dan Brita, I think on breathing, breathing techniques that focuses on the Patterson parasympathetic nervous system, which is the fight. I think so it's the dopamine release, which is more on the Exxon. Yeah, which I think is also, I'm combining the two, um, which has been really helpful.

I think for me, particularly because I've, I've started developing nervous system issues and, and also I think, related to stress, um, I think there's maybe one hub. I don't know if it will help everybody. I dunno if it will. I think it will speed up link intendance. I think it can because you increase blood flow, increased oxygen, um, you know, going to those areas.

And because when you're stretched, you Brisel shallow. You know, you, you don't have, you don't breathe deeply. And so it's not a conscious thing. Um, I I'm, uh, and that's a recent thing for me, but I'm a big, big fan of this, I think is something that's made a big, big difference in my life on top of magnesium and all the other things that we all understand sorting out.

I think for me, this is a 20% game-changer. Yeah. At nighttime, I do like bagel, nerve breathing. So I'll do the short inhale, like the, for the four or five second inhale hold for four and then exhale for eight or nine. And not, I sleep like a baby. I don't have any issues sleeping and I don't wake up stressed to do that.

Yeah. Just, just relax in bed and just breathe in and breathe in for four to six, hold for four and then exhale for eight to 10 and then pause for two and then just keep that cycle and. You know, all the, every person that I've ever told to do that there's, they're sleeping much better. And it's weird because you can't be on your you're on your phone, stress down on Facebook groups.

Before you go to bed, you're gonna wake up, stressed out. It's just the nature of the beast, but a breath work. It works. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's crazy. It really does help. And, uh, I use it here and there. I get lazy. I don't always do it, but. It helps. Definitely helps. So what are you doing right now? Supplements, diet, you know, what's, what's going on in your life to help you?

Yeah, so Jason I'm, I'm seeing my homeopath next week, so we're going to work out

and this picked up, but, but on top of that, I, I mostly drink clean water. That's a non-negotiable for me. Um, I've got one of these human, uh, these, um, uh, machines that catches the, the moisture on the a and changes into water. So that's the water drink with, um, price elements, um, the, to beef up the middle minerals in the water, and then the supplements that most of us do, you know, the, I think magnesium for me is critical because I, I, I try and be quite active.

So I drink a lot of vitamin C. Um, I take MSM for the joints. I take collagen. Um, I also in the evenings take potassium, zinc, um, and selenium. Those are my core supplements. And then I've got one or two other funky things. I don't know if you've ever heard of phyto. Saccharides uh, I've heard, is it, uh, like I think there's some, uh, herbs, like Noni and comfrey and.

Some other ones that have that in there. Look, I think so. And it should have Beth explained it and I've, I've never come across it, Google that I can't find it in any way. EME makes it, but basically the way he explained it to me and I might get this wrong. So B would be bad fruit. For example, the moment that a week before a food will fall from a tree on its own because it's ripened.

Will fall from its feet. It produces this substance. It's the top of our system, I think is a type of sugar. So if you pick a fruit too soon, you never have that benefit. And most when you buy fruit, most food are picked earlier, you know, sort of the doesn't go off in a shop. That's why it's so amazing. If you can pick a food as ripe and eat it, you'll get the benefit for most.

I have to sacrifice, but it's an incredible bone marrow, um, health. Uh, thing. So it improves the health of your bone marrow, which then eventually improves your general health substance that, that you get in fruits. Um, I think there's a few days before they actually would fall from the tree, but it's only from that period.

And then when it falls from the tree, I think it only lasts for about a week and it's gone again. So, um, I'll send you some information on it, but that's another thing that I've done that I've used, but it's very expensive. Um,

Yeah, that's pretty neat. I think that, uh, the guy or the woman or the spirit, or whoever created this planet, this university put everything. We need to figure it out. You know, um, it's, it's, uh, human beings that usually over-complicate and overthink things.

Yeah. We are the, we are the problem, not the solution most of the time. So, um, what's your future plans? Like what's, uh, what's something you're looking into looking forward to. Yeah, Jason, I mean, I'm, I love my work again, which is great. Um, when the. And then we import, um, designer fragrances in the South Africa.

So some of the big brands and we, the sole distributor. So I'm quite, I'm loving that and I feel I've got energy again, and I can, I can Excel in my work where I've had a bit of a pause. Um, they, from, uh, personal perspective, I'm really looking forward to, you know, being active again. I dunno if I'll be my old self, but.

Just to compete or just to be in the rice. For me, I've done a triathlon actually last year, October. And just after that I had the relapse. So I haven't done anything since I'm looking forward to a year where I can be quite active. Um, yeah. And then to travel a little bit, you know, Africa is in South Africa in itself is quite, uh, not compared to the U S not even close, but it's the biggest country, um, to see.

So I'm looking forward to all of that stuff. So. I'm in a good place. I mean, I've had a hell Oliver five years and the last three with a few more apps, um, but still pretty bad downs, but I think it's gonna become less and less, you know, that's good. I mean, it's always, it's always nice to be hopeful and, and have plans and goals.

And I think that's another big thing with this is you have to have something to hang on to, to get through this and it, and just getting to that point where you. Will you, uh, accomplish it and be humble by it and just be grateful that you got, there is always a win, but yeah, this is, uh, is quite the experience, right.

And years go by and it's like, wow, I can't believe it. Yeah, no matter you also say that you appreciate life so much more.

Dating in a Bush, you know, fall for an hour. Me too. Yeah. Some of my dogs in the grass and I'm just like, I just listen to birds and I didn't realize. That a 35 year old guy could sit with his dogs and just be at peace listening to birds. But I, I want to think that our ancestors were like that. I don't think they had all this crazy, crazy stuff we did.

We put on ourselves every day. You know, now we put too much pressure on ourselves. I really think minimalistic living is another thing that I'm looking into, you know, to cut down just this material stuff. Um, to be in nature. Yeah, no, I, um, I took the path of, um, helping people and being connected to people and, you know, that has its positive and its negatives, but it's, it's, it's healing to me to get away from it.

At least I do once a week, I just get away from it and, uh, you know, it's, it's something we, uh, we've we've use so that we can connect to people, but it's like so much, it's constantly. Intrusive, if you let it be. And I think that the most beneficial part of healing is getting just connected and sitting outside and being with family.

And, you know, I don't know how you do it, Jason. I mean, at some point when I was, I was, I mean, I'm still passionate about this. Um, but at some point when I work out what was wrong, I mean, I ended up trying, I spent time with the lawyers trying to Sue the pharmaceutical companies. Then I ended up trying to get it into the media and I managed to get it into the new pipe.

I don't know, to that one program. And then I went into a phase where I just wanted to help everybody, especially when I feel good. You feel like if you know, I've sorted this out, I've got this covered and then you end up helping people. But. You, you can't, I couldn't sustain it, you know, because it became so drained.

I'm angry at you. They say, y'all, you can do this stuff. I can't do this. You didn't have it as bad as I did, but, but then again, they weren't here when I was at my worst. And yeah, it's hard. I mean, I think of your lot, I mean, it's amazing thing to do, but yeah.

Yeah. I would like to, um, Help everybody, but it's, it's very hard. Cause it's, it's somewhat triggering too. When people reach out to me and they're in their worst spot, um, you try to give hope, but, um, you have to have perspective. Yeah. You know, even, even when I was at my worst, I knew I could get better. You know, I, I was just like a puzzle.

That was a mess. And I just needed to figure out how to put the pieces back together. And that's, that's who I am as a person, but not everyone's like that. And I get that, but it's, it's, it's hard to. To not be able to feel like you're helping somebody and you're right. It can be emotionally draining and hard.

Right. Cause you're trying to give advice on trying to help, but, um, it doesn't always resonate or land with everyone and hopefully things like this help, you know? Yeah. You asked me earlier about a wall and it just comes to mind that you say that, uh, you may know the guy, I won't mention his name, but it was this one.

I mean, I was talking to him a lot, but. He was very, very down in the dumps and ended up committing suicide. And at that point I also went off all the Facebook groups for about four months. I was just, you know, shattered by that. I thought I was helping the ALK, but he was mainly just sobered by that end politic who sees he sees himself through it, which was terrible.

It is, it is, and it's happened so many times in the last seven years I've been here and it's, it's, uh, it's scary, you know, I don't understand that component of it. And, um, the best advice I can give anybody is if you know somebody in that spot, like at least just try to be there for them, like you were, and that's all you can do.

Really. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it was fine. It wasn't a UAS. I was here. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have to let that go? Because if you keep that with you, you carry that negative energy. Um, and you actually end up passing that on. So that's why your point. Take a break from all of us every now. And they was probably the best advice you can give.

Yeah. Yeah. Even like some of my, um, my Facebook group, I can't manage it on my own, so I have people help me. And it's, um, it's a great tool, like connecting with people, but you know, in the future, I would love to just do the podcasts and write a few books and just put a, I put everything out there and say, Hey, here you go.

I've given you everything I've learned. Yeah. What's that it's the same in South Africa users don't use it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like, um, it's, it's a hard road to be on and I, not, not everyone's the same, like we're all so different, but we all share the same, the same issues, similarities, but each path to healing is completely different and, and, you know, That's what we all need to learn.

I think, you know, these supplement questions, like what works for you? What about, what should I take? And it's like, that's a, that's a broad question. The one thing I can tell you that works for everybody's minerals, that's the only thing I've found that helps everybody. I agree. I agree with that, but I mean, there's also the manifestation of the symptoms.

It's it's, I mean, I didn't have any Achilles tendon issues for a year and a half. That's my issue. I can't get rid of. You know, so whereas other people get out of bed after one tablet and the kiddie snack, you know, it's, it's just, and then you take that into your whole body system. You know, someone is weak in this area and that's where you need to support, but.

That's the problem with this thing. You don't know where you're weak. That's why I think it's for me, I was so excited to get the results. Um, I knew there was something missing. Yeah. The organic acid test is fantastic. I mean, I've spent pretty much all the money I could spend on testing and the oat test tells you exactly what's going on with your mitochondria.

And you've got, you know, methylation, everything like it tells it gives you everything. And. You know, I just took mine like I think a year ago and I have a lot of things to work on, but yeah, I'm much better than it was, you know, and it, it gives me a roadmap to say, okay, this is what I needed to fix, you know?

So it's super, it's super helpful to know where you're at. And, um, one day you might have a perfect goat test. That's what you're going for, right? Yep. Exactly. Exactly. That's what you meant. Amen. Yeah. Aim high. Yep. So is there anything else you want to, um, give to that? No, just that look for me. It's like just never give up hope.

I mean, it's, it's it sounds like a cliche. Um, and I think attach yourself to positive people. And, um, I mean, I can say this I've been really, really, really sick. And I thought that I was going to die. I mean, my wife thought I was gonna die. Um, she would speak about it often. Um, I was gray. I was Pyle. I was really sick.

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