Lindsay Persico

Patrick Edwards00:00

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Well, hello and welcome to another episode of RAD Cast Outdoors. I'm Patrick

David Merrill00:35

Edwards. I'm David Merrill. And today we're in the great indoors talking about the great outdoors.

Patrick Edwards00:40

That's right. And man, it has been a blustery day. I don't know about you, but I thought my house was gonna get ripped off the foundation.


David Merrill00:48

It started yesterday when you and I went out looking for deer and were unsuccessful in that endeavor actually,

Patrick Edwards00:54

and got a little bit cold, but it was, it made for some good pictures. We'll have to post those. It was a beautiful, beautiful evening. Got to take out some friends of mine and go look for a me.

Well it was actually a whitetail buck we were looking for, for deer. Yeah. But

David Merrill01:07

they evaded us that I still have sand in my eyes from yesterday.

Patrick Edwards01:11

Yeah, that was, that was pretty brutal. But like you said, we get to be in the great indoors today and I have a very special guest and I just wanna do a little introduction to talk about how this podcast came together because I'm one of those guys.

I like to watch some of these shows. I don't watch much tv, but I watch a little bit. And the little bit that I do watch, I watch with my family and we found this show called Alone a few years ago, and we started watching all the seasons of Alone. Then we found this show called Alone the Beast, and our guest today was on that show.

And I was blown away by her mental toughness. My kids were blown away and they're like, Dad, you should see if she'll come on the podcast. I happened to reach out and she said she would come on the podcast. So Lindsay Persico, welcome to the podcast. It's good to have you.

Lyndsay Persico02:01

Oh, thank you. I think that's the best thing I've ever heard as an intro is that your kids wanted me to come on.

That's awesome, . I love it.

Patrick Edwards02:10

Well, my girls were super excited. They were like, Man, she outlasted the guys. She did so awesome. I can't believe she went in there with just the clothes on her back and was able to get this done. And you know, you do a lot of other cool stuff too. So I wanna mention that, you know, you have your own podcast as well, the Hunt Fiber podcast.

And so those of you who listen to RA. jump on Spotify or Apple or wherever you're listening to your podcast and go check out her podcast. It's a little bit different content material than you're gonna get on this one, so that's a lot of fun. You can kind of branch out into some other things, but Lindsay does a lot with like outdoor survival skills, coaching people, nutrition, that kind of stuff.

So Lindsay, if you could just tell people a little bit more about what you do.

Lyndsay Persico02:56

Well, I live in Montana. I was born and raised in Idaho and was lucky to grow up in a family that loved the outdoors and a dad that would take me hunting with him and introduced me to that. So that's how kinda hunting got to be such a big part of my life.

I fell in love with it at an early age, and my husband and I both are very avid hunters. Our kiddos are kinda varied on that front. Some of them are more avid than others, but, but all of them are interested in it and go hunting regularly. And that takes up a lot of our time. Montana's awesome because it has, oh, there's almost always something to hunt.

you can, you can be hunting predators, you can hunt big game. And there's a lot to offer for outdoor focused families, so, We keep our time pretty, pretty busy outdoors with that. And then yeah, I do online fitness and nutrition coaching as kind of my regular day job, which I can do from home with the kids, which is awesome.

And then through that company we do women's outdoor retreats in Alaska. So we take women up in the bush, fly in, drop off and teach 'em survival skills and fly fishing and a lot of mindset work as well. Basic stuff on that front. My podcast is kind of just a fun side gig for me. The creative outlet I like to have something that I can work on creatively.

That's kind of how I got into the outdoor space was through creative writing. I started a blog and wanted to share that with people, so it got me on social media. So I could share the blog. Yeah, that's the basics. I've got three kiddos. One of them will be turning 15 shortly, which I can't believe.

And then a 13 year old and an eight year old

Patrick Edwards04:38

man. Sounds like my house. It's a, it's a busy place. I know David, he's got number three coming here in about, what, four weeks? Well, the wife does. Oh boy. Yeah. Not David himself. Not me

David Merrill04:49

personally. . But yes, it's living in a house with a pregnant person. If, if you haven't had that pleasure in your life, I, I highly recommend it.

It's a, it's, it's something to experience for

Lyndsay Persico05:00

. It's a good growing experience.

Patrick Edwards05:03

Yeah. No, I, That's awesome. It's good. Kids are a lot of fun. And I think that that's kind of one of the cool things we can talk about a little bit later, but just how. The outdoors plays into us and how we bring up our kids and some of the activities that we choose to do together.

But I do want to ask you, so alone the Beast, how did you end up on that show? Like, what was the, you know, I guess what was the reasoning for going on the show and kinda how did that journey began?

Lyndsay Persico05:33

Well, it, it started out as something that I thought was just a spam message on Instagram . I got this gal that said she was a casting director, and I thought, Yeah, right, you're a casting director for a loan.

They wanted me to be on a loan and I couldn't leave my kids for that long. There was no way I was gonna go that long and be away with my kids. They were quite a bit younger. My son was five at the time. That's just potentially a hundred days away from your family. And I was like, Nah, can't do that. And she was like, Well, we have the show that we're gonna try out and it's only 30 day commitment.

Could you do a 30 day trip out? And I but I didn't really wanna do it. I'm not a big TV person, like you mentioned. I don't watch a lot of tv and especially not reality tv, but I had seen alone and I do enjoy that show. But I had a mentor growing up who, I mentioned this in the show, he always told me, You gotta do the things in life that you would regret not doing.

And I thought about the opportunity and I thought, it doesn't really sound like something I want to do. I know it's gonna be miserable, but I might regret not doing it just because when again, am I gonna get the chance to go up to this amazing place and spend 30 days in the wilderness testing my skills and.

And it just seemed like something that I knew would never come up again, so I figured I'd better do it.

Patrick Edwards06:54

Yeah. And so tell people just kinda like where, where the location was and kind of the, Cuz when I tell people, they're like, No way. There's no way. They didn't go up there without any tools. I'm like, Yeah, really?

Like, it's just the clothes on their back. But just kind of tell like where it was and what some of the parameters were for the show.

Lyndsay Persico07:13

Yeah. So the original loan is just a single, like, they set people out by themselves, a group of like 10 people and they're all alone. And it's, whoever stays the longest generally wins.

But for this show, they put us out in teams of three. So there was. Usually somebody that was more skilled in primitive techniques and then they'd have somebody that was more skilled with taking care of a dead animal or the hunting side of things. They kind of tried to pair people up that had different skill sets.

And for my group of three, they put us out on the shores of Great Slave Lake, and the premise was they would give you a dead animal. For us it was a moose, but you didn't have anything but the clothes on your back to work with, to break down the animal and survive for 30 days. You couldn't use your clothing.

Even if you had shoelaces or something in your clothes you wanted to use, you had to create everything that was a tool that you were gonna use from nature. That's basically the rules.

Patrick Edwards08:14

Yeah. Whereas like with the other alone show where you're trying to last around a hundred days, you have a pack full of gear and you get what I think it's like 10 items or something like that, that you get to take with you, which are pretty handy.

Like an you don't think about like how much you would use a knife. Or a hatchet or cordage, you know, like brand para cord, stuff like that until you don't have it. And that was kind of the, kind of the cool part of the show cuz I'm like, okay, so you have a moose now you gotta figure out how to break it down and you don't have a knife to break it down.

And you know, watching you guys kind of go around and figure out like what kind of rock you could use and just having different ideas and struggling through that. What was that initial couple hours like trying to figure out how to, how to get that thing broken down?

Lyndsay Persico09:05

Well it was really hoping there'd be a good nap stone there.

Some sort of obsidian or something that would flake off and make a good blade, but there really wasn't, there was pretty much just slate and then some other rock that when you broke it, it was not anywhere near sharp. But it was what we had to work with. So we did the best we could. It took. We didn't get put out cause we had to wait till the, the local tribe would kill the moose for the show.

And once they were able to to get a moose, then our episode would begin. And it was actually supposed to start a week earlier, but they were having a hard time finding a moose. So once they finally got one on the ground, it was in the afternoon and we got put out for our show to start. And it took us all the way till dark just to get the gut cavity opened up and get the guts out.

And the whole next day, cause as soon as it gets dark, you have no light. You can't keep working. You just basically have to go to sleep. And then as soon as the sun was up, I started back in on that and it took me the entire rest of that next day just to quarter it and get the quarters stashed. It. I don't know.

It was probably dark for about 14 hours at that point, so I dunno math, but however many hours that was all just to get it. Quartered, , it took a long time to get the skin off and get the quarters off with a rock. It just took forever.

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David Merrill11:32

those outdoor edge knives that I sell and believe in, I did two bull elk in an afternoon, you know, with one other guy, and I didn't even change the blade.

So two hours I did two elk, which is equivalent to a moose. Right, Right. And it, that's, that's the tool difference. I'm sure you would've loved to have a knife, just, just one knife.

Lyndsay Persico11:52

You know, it was actually, that was really hard for me because that's always been a small, like source of pride is my ability to skin and butcher an animal really efficiently and to just sit there and struggle with it for so long.

It was rough, but it, it was one of those things where you just have to keep working at it. It would take like so many strokes with that knife or that rock to get it even like a half of an inch, and the hide is so thick, especially on those big bull moose like that. It was extremely fatiguing for my hands just to hold on to that rock and try to keep the hide really tight so I could get anywhere with it.

But it was super rewarding. At the end. My hands did not work quite right the whole next probably two to three days. My hands were pretty up I bet from doing that. But yeah, they were rough for a couple days after that, but, It worked. It, it was doable. You just can't give up. You just gotta keep

Patrick Edwards12:49

going. Yeah.

I was gonna ask you about that. How long would a chunk of rock actually last you, before you had to go get a different chunk of rock? Like I'm sure that after a while it was diminishing returns, just like with any blade. But how long did that last? It

Lyndsay Persico13:04

was pretty funny actually, cuz at the beginning I would, I was trying other, like the one guy that was there, Joe would try to go find better rocks and he would smash rocks open and try to get something to get a decent edge on it.

And he'd bring me a piece and he'd be like, Is this one better ? I would try that one for a little bit and like, no, so still sucks. And I'd go back to whichever one was the sharpest we had found and we kept trying different chunks of rock throughout different periods of time and we kind of come up with two or three that you'd actually maybe make some progress with it versus some that wouldn't be any good at all.

And I kept the, one of those pieces with me most of the way through, that was fairly decent. But yeah, it was, it was trial and error. You just kept trying to, to flake something in a way that was gonna get a decent blade. And if you've messed with shale at all, it's not really designed for that . No, it's not ideal.

Not at all.

David Merrill13:56

. So growing up, what skills did you gather that helped you on the show and where'd you get those skills

Lyndsay Persico14:02

from? Well, the outdoor skills, my, when they reached out to me, I was kind of surprised because I didn't really have a survival background per se. My background was in hunting. But anybody that hunts out west, you're, you kind of gain some basic survival skills just because you, you go out and you kind of have to be prepared to, to spend the night out there if something goes wrong or if you're going out for back, you know, back country trips for a while, you're gonna gain some of those skills naturally.

So I had those, but. They were really wanting somebody with a hunting background so that they could break down the moose and know how to handle an animal out there. And so that was kind of what I brought to the table on that front. But yeah, when it came, came to the actual survival skills, it was all just hunting based knowledge that I had.

And on the mindset side, I think my folks kind of instilled in me. If you feel like you're supposed to do something, it doesn't really matter how hard it is. If you decide that there's something you need to do, then you're gonna need to tough it out and do it. That was always modeled to me, and that was expected of me as a kid.

And then I went through some things in my life that were pretty difficult as a young adult, and I think I had quite a few people who kind of assumed that this situation that I was in on the show was probably the hardest thing I'd ever done. And I had. Help them recognize that it really didn't feel like it.

Cause I had done things in my life that already felt way harder than that. And so to me it wasn't as big of a challenge as maybe it would've been somebody who hadn't done something really difficult

Patrick Edwards15:37

before. Yeah. One of the things that I noticed in watching the show was you, like, the whole time it didn't look like you were gonna quit.

Like, and with the other contestants, it seemed like they were just kind of wavering a little bit, you know? But you could tell, like with you, you just were like, What? What do you mean you're leaving? You know, I've already set my mind to do this. I'm gonna do it. Can you talk a little bit about that and just kind of the, I don't know, I guess the bandwidth that you had and, and maybe just some of the ways that you keep yourself honed in on whatever that goal is when you're doing that, because I'm sure you were like, Oh crap, now I gotta do all this by myself.

But can you kind of talk through like what your mental process was through all of that?

Lyndsay Persico16:25

Yeah. Well, I, well, one of the things I think that really helped me is that I'm, I'm an overthinker, so when I knew I was gonna go up there, I didn't go into it with rose color classes. I knew it wasn't gonna be fun and it was gonna be hard.

And I tried to anticipate the different struggles that I was gonna encounter and how I would approach 'em when they came. So, just kinda mental preparation before you do anything difficult is really helpful. It's almost like a, you play by play of what you think is gonna happen, put yourself in that situation ahead of time.

But one thing I didn't anticipate was that the two guys were gonna leave . I thought that maybe one of 'em would leave, but I didn't really think that they would both leave. And when that happened, yeah, my initial thought was, Ugh, I gotta get all the firewood by myself. I gotta keep the fire going by myself.

I gotta deal with all this meat alone. That's gonna be a lot harder. But luckily I've always been somebody that likes to be alone. I don't mind being by myself. And I, my mom said even as like a little kid, I would go off and play by myself. Being alone isn't a problem for me. I enjoy that. So it was, it ended up being really cool that I got to experience it both ways.

I liked that I got to do it with a team and have that kind of an experience cuz it was totally different. And then I also got to experience it by myself, which was pretty cool in the end.

David Merrill17:45

So what would you say, Lindsay, you know, Taking some of your experiences in, in this challenge that you've kind of transcended into personal training and some of your success coaching, what have you seen in your clients, kind of the mental tough toughness acts aspect of how that makes them successful or not

Lyndsay Persico18:07


Actually it might be a little different than you would expect especially with women. So, and I don't know, I mean, this, this can be the, this way with anybody, but I've noticed even within myself, it's something I had to learn is that sometimes your mind is actually tougher than your body. It's not always the case, but sometimes we push ourselves harder than we should, and it kind of depends on the person that I'm dealing with.

But I deal with a lot of people in the outdoor industry as clients, so they're people who. Have big hunts coming up. Maybe they drew a sheep tag and they gotta get ready for a sheep hunt or something like that. And we sometimes can get really good at not paying attention to our bodies. Just kinda ignoring signals that we're getting when it comes to stress, especially.

And that's all mindset. It, it really matters how stressed your body is cause it's not gonna respond well to the training that you do. It doesn't matter how you eat, doesn't matter how you train. If your body's really, really stressed, it's not gonna respond well to what you're doing. Your hormones get outta balance.

Everything gets outta whack. So it's actually been a lot harder to get people to slow down and stop pushing so hard in the gym and actually focus on basic things like getting good sleep and making sure they have good proper recovery and feeling themselves well and dealing with stressors if there's so many people that I work with are just stressed out.

Our world is a stressful environment and people come in with these lofty fitness goals, but yet they don't have the basics of just taking care of their body and their mind down. And that's a lot of times they're just pushing, pushing physically, and they need to just slow, slow down for a little bit.

focus on basics.

Patrick Edwards19:52

That makes sense. I mean, it's, it's really easy to get wrapped up in the day to day and you forget about your body and sometimes your body goes into full on revolt when you do that and then you end up in the hospital or you end up, you know, just super sick or whatever it might be. So that totally makes sense.

And I'm, I'm really guilty of neglecting myself on that front. Like, oh well if I just work a little bit more and you know, I can sleep later. It's that famous saying I had in college and I'll sleep when I'm dead. You know, that doesn't work too. That doesn't work very well for the long run. I remember one spring break I slept for like a day and a half cuz I was so exhausted.

You know, I mean, it just happens. But I don't know, I think it's really cool that, you know, you're talking about like mental toughness and I remember there was a part in the show. You know, you're, you're by yourself and now you've got bear issues. And everybody who's been out west who deals with bears like David, I and yourself, like that's not a good situation to be in, where you've got a bear that's coming in and wants what you have.

That's, that's definitely a threat. So can you talk a little bit about that and how you addressed that situation?

Lyndsay Persico21:05

Yeah. The bear was a black bear and, you know, luckily, I've had a lot of experience and encounters with bears here where I live, so I can recognize their behavior and understand when the situation might be more dangerous.

And in this situation, originally he was really just interested in the carcass and that was quite a bit of ways for my camp and it kept him busy for, for a while. He was pretty happy down there. And then he started checking out my cas that were a little bit closer to my shelter. I had some that were kind of halfway between me and the carcass.

Two, two different quarters up stash. And then I had two quarters that were stashed pretty close. One that was like little ways off from my camp and one that was real close by cause it was the one I was working on smoking. And over a few days he just kind of slowly worked his way in and I'd start to see his tracks really close to my shelter.

When I'd get up in the morning, it would snow, fresh snow and I'd see his tracks. He'd been kind of wandering around, checking out those cas and. Then I woke up that one night and he was just across the fire from me chewing on my fat pile, . I had a pile of fat that I was trying to render. So I had like a slanted slate rock over my fire pit.

And I would put the fat from like the, I got that good fat that's around the stomach and intestines and any fat that I could get off the knee. And I had it sitting on that slate and as it would heat up, it would melt and then it would run down the slate and, and cool. And drip into a pure pile down below the fire and had a little pile of it I just kept working on.

And he was sitting over there too on that. And as soon as I kind of sat up and looked over, he bolted and ran off. But it, that was a little bit different. Cause I'm like, that's like a, it's like having your dog on the other side of the campfire sitting there chewing on something. Yes. That's probably not very safe.

And. He still was intimidated by me, but he was just getting more and more comfortable. And I knew eventually that we may end up in an altercation because if he decided that that stuff was his, instead of that he was trying to take it from me, then I would be perceived as a threat to him. And it was only a matter of time before he was more and more comfortable.

So honestly, it was a decision that it wasn't totally mine to make. The people that were running this show, the production crew, they had to deal with all the red tape of wildlife management in Canada and they were concerned about an altercation happening. And they told me, You gotta move. So I didn't really want to move.

I knew that they were probably right, that an altercation with this bear was, there was a potential for it. But I didn't wanna move cuz I had a really good shelter. It was dry. I had a smoker. I had, I was set up perfect like the 30 days. Was looking pretty good. , I was like, This is going pretty easy. I'm, I'm really set up pretty well here.

And I didn't wanna move, but it came down to them basically telling me, You gotta go. And so I just packed up everything that I had, which wasn't much, and threw it in the moose hide, and then packed it a couple miles and set up another camp. That's

Patrick Edwards24:12

brutal. So I have to leave all that

David Merrill24:15

. Yeah, that was, that was a, that was a low blow.

But what are some things behind the scenes things viewers would wanna know? You know, how often were they doing wellness checks? I mean, obviously you're alone, but the production crews coming by. What, what does that look like?

Lyndsay Persico24:29

Yeah, my show is a little bit different than alone because on the regular alone, it's all self filmed, so they do all of the filming.

For me it was a combination of the two. So some of the days I would sell film and nights I would sell film, and then they would come out, they had a production crew and camera crew, and they would come out some days and get footage that they needed or do interviews and that kind of thing. So, That side of it was really interesting to me to watch.

It was also really frustrating because if they had a certain thing that they wanted to capture to be able to tell the story, then I had to do it like four times because they'd wanna get it with regular camera and then they'd wanna get it with a Slowmo camera, and then they needed it with the drone . So yeah, there was a lot of, there was a lot more work just because you're trying to help them make a show.

They have to be able to capture certain things if they're gonna be able to make a show, and it added another element to it. Whereas if it was just me out there hanging out in the woods for 30 days, it would've been somewhat relaxing in a way. But that kind of added an element of stress to

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Yeah, I'm sure it would. I, when I always talk about the show, when we watch it, of like, I wonder how this goes and how that actually goes in the background. Cuz you don't see that cuz they're trying to tell a story. That's, that's their job is to tell us something compelling that you're gonna want to come back and watch.

And I always wonder with that, like on a show like Alone The Beast, because it's obvious they're filming parts of it, but then it's also obvious that you're filming stuff at night. Like when the bear comes into your camp and is eating and you're like, Holy crap, he's not supposed to be in this camp. But it's, it's always interesting to see kind of the behind the scenes and hear how that goes.

We had Josh Kirk from Mountain Men, he lives just down a little ways from here. Oh no. Yeah, he came on our show, what was that, a year and a half, two years ago? Something like that. And just kind of talking through some of those things that you wouldn't think about, right? Like the things they have to go through to make.

The show happen and make the show work. Yeah. But I, I was just really impressed, like the fact that you picked up your camp, you moved all your stuff and you still made it the 30 days. Even getting that bigger inch thrown in there was really cool. And like I said, my kids were like, Man, she's the real deal dad.

I was like, Yeah, she's the real deal. Like that's, that takes some mental toughness to take, I mean, like you said, you had everything set up, you had everything figured out. You could easily coast it through had it not been the bear, but now you've gotta pick up everything, take fire with you, I believe.

Didn't you end up taking like a coal with you so you could actually get a fire going again? Cuz people don't realize how hard it is to start a fire. Especially but yeah, I mean that, that took a lot of guts and so it's, it's very commendable, what you were able to do on that. How did it feel? Just knowing that you made it, like when you did finally make it to the end, what?

What did that feel like? Oh, that was

Lyndsay Persico28:28

a really good feeling. That was the best feeling to be able to know that I was gonna be able to go home. To me, the biggest thing was I'm gonna be able to go home to my kids and tell 'em that I did it. And that was kind of what my driving force out there. I was like my kids, I want them to see that they can do hard things and I want them to be able to be proud of their mom and to go home and know that I could bring that back almost as like a gift for them was an amazing feeling.

David Merrill28:55

So what was the lowest point during filming?

Lyndsay Persico28:59

Oh man, , It was the day that made me move, . I did not, I didn't wanna move and because of all the filming that we had to do, I didn't have time to build a shelter. So they were like, Okay, well, we got all our footage. It's getting dark now. We're gonna leave. I'm just like leaving me with no shelter.

Like I, I don't have time to build a shelter before it gets dark. If it snowed, I was just gonna be laying under a moose hide, getting snowed on and trying to keep a fire going. I was so mad. The , the producer was there, , and he came up to me and he was like trying to talk to me and I was just staring at him and I couldn't even talk to him.

I was so pissed. I was just staring at him and he ended up just leaving. He didn't come back for a , think he just, I pissed her off. . Yeah. I was angry. That was the lowest thing for me was, was anger and just frustration over the whole thing. But it passed. I got on a new shelter built and, and it was all right.

But yeah, that was definitely, I look back and I can see my, that was the most frustrated I was the whole time.

Patrick Edwards30:06

Yeah, I can imagine. And you know, you said going home was awesome and seeing your kids. What was their reaction when you got home?

Lyndsay Persico30:15

They were really excited. They were super excited. I think it was kinda hard too, because your brain changes when you're out there.

It's so primitive and it's like you go into this place where probably our ancestors just lived all the time and everything's simple and your your thought processors so simple. All you have to do is think about food and water and staying dry and just basic stuff. And as soon as they took me out and put me into a hotel to wait for a flight out, my mind like flipped back over to the 20th century, 21st century and I'm like, Could not sleep for three days.

My mind was just spinning, like catching up. I think with, with everything it was the weirdest feeling and going back home, it took me a while to really, I guess get back to myself. And I think that was part of, it was healthy, part of it was really good and I wish I could have kept a little bit of that feeling.

It was just such an appreciation for my family and for just the people around me and the things that we just take for granted. I had a really profound understanding of how valuable all that is, but at the same time, I was also kind of disconnected just because my mind was so used to operating on such a basic playing field.

Patrick Edwards31:38

Yeah, I I can imagine that would've been a difficult transition over, I mean, even just like backpacking trips and hunting trips, you come back and you're like, Man, I want to go back , you know, get back to that simple side of things. Right David? I mean, oh two, two

David Merrill31:55

things that, you know, I've done, I've done the YouTube filming, right?

Right. And where Lindsay mentioned, you know, Oh, we're gonna take four cuts of this. You're like, First time, No, I've done it. You've got on film, Leave me alone. Right. So that piece of it where she said, I'd rather just be doing this without the camera would be more fun. But every time when you get back from a trip, whether it's, you know, any kind of these primitive trips, the two things that always blow me away is, one, I can walk over to the wall and lift this valve and fresh, clean water comes out anytime I want.

Right? Yeah. And the other one is, you know, getting up at midnight to go to the bathroom when it's snowing. Get outta your sleep bag really is not fun. It's not pleasant. You lay there and go, Do I really have to go that bad? When you're home, it's like, turn on the light. You walk into this heated room and it's, it's pretty pleasant.

So the amenities that if you don't have them, you know, you appreciate them, but people that have never gone without. Running water. You know, it's, that's a nice feature we have. Oh,

Patrick Edwards32:53

absolutely. Last night I was talking like, when we got back from sitting and waiting on those deer, by the way, Lindsay. Yeah. We, we sat and we looked at this draw.

We were waiting for these white tail to come out and the wind was blowing in our face. And I think when it started it was what, 25 miles an hour

David Merrill33:09

ish? Yeah. When we got outta the truck it was 20, 25 mile an hour wind. And you

Patrick Edwards33:12

know how when the sun sets, like the wind amplifies, it goes up about 10, 20 miles an hour.

It was pushing me while we were walking. Yeah, we were, we were about frozen, you know, we were waiting for these deer. They just decided, I think to sleep in a little bit more cuz of the wind. But I got home and the guys that I'd brought out that were hunting, we got some chili and we warmed up a little bit.

I stoked up the wood stove. It was great. It was nice and toasty and I was thinking to myself that whole time, Man, what if I had to sleep out there? Like, I mean it was, it was so flipping cold and windy and just, you know, there's no protection out there whatsoever. And it's just like you get a real appreciation for our ancestors and what they had to deal with because I was sitting there next to you cuz David's sitting there, you know, spotting and stuff and I'm just kind of hanging out and I was just like, , you know, our ancestors would be out here and they'd be waiting on these deer too.

And, you know, they, they knew how to, you know, get the right shelter in the right place and do all these things. And it just gives you an appreciation for all the work that you have to do when you're in that situation. You can't just run and jump in a