Careers at ColladoCollins Architects, ft. Dominic Hailey, Carlota Boyer and Angus Clogg
By Stephen Drew
April 5, 2022
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Stephen Drew00:03

LinkedIn YouTube. It's Wednesday, grab your sandwiches. We're going to go from one architecture practice to one Nava. Now I know you're sitting at your office and you want to be transported, but bear with me. We got awesome projects coming up, or we're going to learn about another practice, their culture, and what it's like to work there.

All we will be with. In 18 seconds. I know, I know it can't wait that the countdown's coming. What can we do? All right. 10 seconds, everyone. 5 0 5 number oh 3, 2 1. Hello, everyone. It's Wednesday, Wednesday, or one spinoff that CPD you don't want to learn any more about Allen, minium and grass frames and all that stuff.

We want to learn about architecture practices out there in the London wealth in the wide world, in the UK. And I've been fortunate to know it's awesome practice for probably going on for the five years. So let's all take a moment. Take a bite of that sandwich. And we're learned about Colorado Collins. So I'm joined today by awesome free guests.

Yes. So we've got over here, Carlotta Collins. So are this getting a little virtual round of applause there? We got with Dominic Haley, which I've also known for many years down here. Angus Barclays actually just finished. It's parked three. I hear so well done. Many gray has, he must have done very well.

Yeah. Very good. Thank you.

Dominic Hailey01:43

Still stunned by your amazing intro, Stephen. Oh, wait, w

Stephen Drew01:47

this is how we do it. Well, well, we have, there's only one way down from here, so don't worry about it. Well, how about we go around the room for a second and then everyone can introduce themselves. So car lots, or maybe I'm going to start with you over here.

Tell us who you are and what your.

Carlota Boyer02:06

Yeah, of course. Hi, I'm Carlota. And I'm working at Kaleido Collins as an associate. I was recently joined what two, three years ago, um, as a new graduate. So my part three and have slowly just gained more experience with them. And

Stephen Drew02:25

then should we move down to, we can move down.

Dominic Hailey02:32

Hi, I'm Dominic. I've been with Clara Collins for five and a half years, I think now. Um, and also I slowly worked my way up from starting as a project architect to now being on the management team, um, which is a new challenge.

Angus Clogg02:49

Um, hi. Um, I guess, uh, I joined, uh, Claudia Collins about just over three years ago now, um, as a part, two architectural system, um, with the aim to start my part three education, as soon as possible, then obviously the pandemic hits.

I actually did buy part three through the pandemic. Um, so all working from home, all online, uh, lectures, um, and graduated in October, um, 2021 and have been an architect, practicing ecological.

Stephen Drew03:22

It's. Amazing. Fantastic. All right. So we've got a few different levels here, which is really useful. So I've known you guys for four and a half years, so I kind of know inside the practice, but I'm sure there's a few people in our audience here, which are not as familiar with Colorado Collins.

So perhaps maybe dominate, if you could just do the honors first to kind of give a little bit of an insight in Carter Collins, and maybe what I'll do is I'll bring up the website. Alongside, so people can have a look at him.

Dominic Hailey03:55

Yeah, sure. We're um, a practice about 35 people, which is small in business terms, but you know, a medium sized, architectural practice, I guess, a primary focuses on residential work.

Uh, and that is across all the kind of varied sectors of residential. From market for sale through affordable and social housing, built a rent, but a co-living. And then one thing we a major on is, um, housing for older people as well, which is a real string to our bow. Uh, the business has been going for about 16, 17 years.

Now. I believe started by Roy. Um, all that time ago. And he is just now at the point where he is transferring the business over to an employee owned trust. So as of the role, um, everybody you see on the screen and all the other 32 members of staff become the joint owners of the business. So no pressure guys, but we've got to make it work.

Stephen Drew04:53

Brilliant. Well, that's pretty cool. You know, I used to be work when I was studying architecture work in John Lewis and that was an employee owned business and it was brilliant because you had the, they had their own magazine. So that's a good one for you. Maybe can do a collateral. Magazine and may, you know, so they'll tap, sorry, Waitrose don't get me in trouble for giving away secrets, but it was brilliant because as well, you can get some benefits and they, they had, they looked after the staff and there was a bonus at the end of that.

Employee owned business is very, very interesting. So that's in the pipeline coming up, but then do you want to tell us a little bit about maybe how you've been coping during the pandemic then? Because I remember Dominic, you had the series where you had on YouTube talking about how you overcome this massive shock and you were actually the last class.

That I met just before the pandemic.

Dominic Hailey05:47

Right. It was all down a meeting. We created some sweetness, right. Um, gosh, that seems like a long time ago, Stephen. Doesn't it, it was two years ago. Almost to the week, maybe two years ago, one week ago, pretty much they all kicks off. Um, what a couple of years it's been.

Yeah. Um, I mean, what is that to say about? So it was a big step at the time. Um, but fortunately it all happens at the moment when we had the technology to enable his sort of homeworking. I remember. 30, clearly we all decided, I think we we'd been talking about it in the office and on the Tuesday afternoon we said, right, everyone go home and test out this thing called Microsoft teams on your computers that works, and then test out this virtual connection to see if you can log into your office, PC from your home computer.

And if all of that seems to be running smoothly, then don't come back. And that was pretty much, you know, what was that? That was the 22nd, 23rd of March, 2020. I forget actually how to name the years now. I still think that was in 2019. It seems so long ago. And since then we've been, we work full-time at home for a long time when things looked like they were easy.

Summer. We started to ease back into the office on a split shift basis. So we had a red team and a blue team. So half of the office could be working from home and half would go in into the office. Um, which just meant in terms of infection control. If someone coughed in the office, we didn't all fall over.

Um, and that was running off and on. Till, um, well, it's running off and on until we ended this month, um, with a little break over Christmas, when all Macron came along and decided they was going to check things up a little bit. So it's been a long, long journey, but we've just at the point now where we are returning to the office on a flexible basis of, of trying to get people in around three days a week, um, with the ability to be flexible for other things.

Stephen Drew07:55

Yeah, brilliant. Well, I think that's the kind of the theme this year, isn't it? It's about retaining flexibility, but in also, I think we all kind of want that social aspect as well, and everyone has a different set of needs and a different set of circumstances, but it's very good that you survive that. And you're right.

I think Microsoft teams actually got used because before that, who used Microsoft teams, you know, It is one of the most used software. Um, I'm really pleased that, um, you kind of come out of it and you've done really well. And it sounds like then Dominic, you're pretty busy. Cause when I was working with you on recruitment, it was, and we did a podcast together talking about, you know, elderly living, you know, retirement communities and kind of debunking that idea or a terracotta tiles with.

So rain in the corner boards on a chair. And actually, you know, that it's like the Soho house worlds and five stars and this luxury place that I can't wait to play world of Warcraft in my gaming game. Have you tell us about the kind of projects that you've been working on and I can see there's a lots of projects on the website as well, but maybe you can walk us through.

What's been busy then.

Dominic Hailey09:12

Yeah. I mean, I think like everyone in our industry there was. A period of uncertainty. Yes. You know, in the first six to eight months of, of the pandemic, certainly. And, you know, we had to put a number of people on the furlough scheme, um, which was a difficult choice to make. Uh, and we had to look kind of long and hard at who was doing what and who was keeping busy.

Um, and unfortunately we had a couple of redundancies that we had to make, but in general, we kept as many of the team on as we possibly could. And then I guess from almost sort of September, October, which would have been six, seven months into the pandemic, I think a lot of the industry just got booked.

And said, screw it. Let's go back. Let's go back and do something. And from that, it really started picking up. So a lot of the, a lot of the projects that are on the website, either predates the pandemic or have fruition through the pandemic where, for example, there's one, which is, I sent you some images of scheme in Berkhamsted and I'm not on the pole enough to have that image ready and put it on the scheme.

But that was entirely designed in collaboration with Microsoft team. Because we have outlet scheme and we took it through the planning journey in the first six months of the pandemic that is about to start on site now. Um, and the beauty of it is that our project architect lives and works in Spain. Um, it's, it's just the same as living in work.

Well, I am, if you, like,

Stephen Drew10:43

I think, I think I've worked out a way on the fly now where I can get these images. So which one was the name of the project? Right? This, bring out this one. Yeah, this bring it up now. So here we go. I've got that in a round about way. So you did, this was, this was all on teams that you kind of overcome this upstate.

Dominic Hailey11:04

That's right. Yeah. So, so we very quickly, and, and it's thanks to the younger people who are remaining politely silent while the old fogy talks at the moment, but they can't really grasp the technology. And it was all about kind of taking screen snips and scribbling over them with it, you know, cause normally we'd sit around the table with a few bits of tracing paper and a few plans would sketch out ideas and kind of yell at each other.

Uh, politely of course. Um, but this was all done by little screenshots and chats and messages, pigging back and forth, which to me was an entirely new way of work. Um, but I quite enjoyed it. I have to admit, and yes, what's come out of it is, is quite an interesting building where we could kind of put a lot of thought into it and discuss it, um, in, in a completely different way.

So, yeah, as I say, since then, it's gone through technical design, detailed design and the contractor is well, there's a big hole in the ground there where this courtyard will one day be. Um, and the building will be coming up in the next sort of 1824 months. Very exciting.

Stephen Drew12:06

Amazing. Well, maybe one day, hopefully I'll be in that Dom.

You need to get me that intro. You know, I need this, this, this is definitely the, so a house of places to live in the

Dominic Hailey12:13

future. Absolutely. I mean, Carlotta will speak to you in a minute. She's been working on another, so this is a seniors housing project. She's been working on another seniors' project in seven Oaks, um, a grade two listed mansion, um, refurbished.

And there is a grand opening of that coming up, which we've got invites to. So perhaps you could be my plus.

Stephen Drew12:32

Yeah, there you go. It's great. I tell you what though. This is a fancy thing. All of them suits that I would dominate when I came to city office, they rather tight at the moment. So I'll get on the pallets on first, but I would love to take you up on that.

So, all right. Thank you for sharing that, um, car lot. So you mentioned Saben Oaks, so I've got, I'm kind of working it out as I go here, but I'm kinda dragging the images and we're getting them is, um, do you want to tell us a little bit about what you've been up to then? Yes, of

Carlota Boyer13:03

course that. So I think, you know, Dominic who's now gone extremely blurry, um, is kind of the, um, the kind of forefront of our later living.

Development. And I think you've also got the book images and our books. We've got quite a lot of work in this sector. And this one here, this project, um, was actually my first time working directly with Donald. Is, you know, if you ever going to get your foot in the door for, to live in one of these later living developments, it's this one it's absolutely stunning.

So it's a heritage grade, two listed building and seven Oaks, so close to London. And you can just see that just the kind of grounds and facilities and where it stands. It's just. And then actually just off the screen here, we're also doing a phase three, which has got a, so it's like off to the right if you're facing the screen, um, it's um, which will then be focused around this grand main house.

Um, and it was actually previously refurbished. There was a school for the blind, um, and then it was refurbished into apartments, but we, the client that we work with just. Really wants to provide a really high quality and product. So just re visiting all the apartments to get them to that standard. And it was, it was really fun.

Um, working really closely with an interior designer or not as well.

Stephen Drew14:29

I look at this image is, is this the interiors we're talking about as amazing. Exactly. So

Carlota Boyer14:34

that's the kind of grand hall entrance heritage entrance area. We've got to the left. We're doing a big bar. Um, that's going to be put in hopefully for the opening.

Um, yeah. And then that, that stairwell basically takes you to your apartments.

Stephen Drew14:51

That's like the Titanic stairwell is nice. Massive. Brilliant is huge. I love it. We've got, I'm kind of I'm you tell me if I'm bringing up the right or the wrong pictures, but I've got, um, I've got a before and after shot here. So this is.

Bloop bloop pizza style. Right. So this is before,

Carlota Boyer15:10

so it's just it's. Yeah. So that's what we've been working on it. So you can kind of see that it was redesigned to be an apartment, but yeah, it kind of, doesn't give you that final more luxurious fields.

Stephen Drew15:22

Yeah. We've gone up a few pegs now, haven't we?

Carlota Boyer15:25

Exactly, exactly.

And in it, and that's great when you've got clients that that's what they want to achieve and that's their product and you're really kind of working towards. Uh, final product that you're all very happy

Stephen Drew15:37

with then asked the client

you turned away. So we don't need to blare out the clients.

Carlota Boyer15:49

Um, yes. That you can see kind of this period features that we're working with. So it was very interesting as well, because a lot of the. Initial design and conscience concept design would then you'd have to have significant amount of problem solving on site because it's all listed in heritage.

So anytime you touch anything, you go into, you know, heritage listed building application. And so, yeah, it's.

Stephen Drew16:16

Well, well done. You, I will give you a round of applause, Dominic, that color that's seriously impressive. Now it's probably a nice helper that we got Tatiana said hi, good day. But if there's anyone in the audience, which actually wants to ask Kalina Collins, a question.

As long as it's not a naughty question, we can pretty much bring it up on stage and your full reign to ask as. So please do take advantage of that moment as, um, Carla Collins have kindly taken time out of their day. So feel free to ask them anything. That's what we're all about, but I tell you what Angus I'm really tempted.

Please tell me as a part two, which could in theory, do my part for you. One. I would love to know a little bit about more the journey of doing your part free. And if there's a project that you want me to show, we can, I can bring it up or anything, but I, first of all, and the quick question. What was it like at first spankin?

Right. I want to do my pop free and we have the pandemic. What was that emotion rollercoaster like? Um,

Angus Clogg17:18

well, to be honest, I actually, when did it really kick in? So I think I had already enrolled into the university before it actually properly kicked off, um, with COVID. So, um, and by the time the project actually.

Um, by the time I actually started my lectures, um, we were already working from home by that point, um, in September time. So, um, but I think, I think just being a part, two architectural assistant, once you've done your masters and you're working in industry, I think it's a pretty. Certain thing, um, or it's a much more, yeah, it's a pretty certain thing that people will go and do their part threes eventually, or essentially attain that architectural status.

Um, uh, so yeah, it was always in my sights to do that and whether or not the pandemic was happening or not, if the university was still functioning, I would have wanted to do it there, whether or not we would be working from home. So, yeah, I mean, sitting on my bed, listening to the law lectures in the first semester was that.

Interesting. Officer's already long day at work sort of thing. And then doing a, to. Lecture on tort law and things like that, you know, it was, uh, it was, it was really tough because you were almost educating yourselves and, um, in some ways, but thankfully I knew a few people who had gone through it, um, as well as people who were going through at the time, who I'd be the university with, um, before my previous qualifications.

And, uh, we were talking about that and venting to each other and help each other through it. Yeah. So we had a lot of support around us and obviously I could fall back on the guys at the practice as well. So I was in constant conversation with Alex who was my mentor during the par three. But, um, obviously I had people like Carlos or in dumps chat too, you know?

Quite approachable, um, in your practice. And so they should, you know, it's kind of, that's the reason why they are colleagues and why you work there. So, um, but I really use those resources. Um, and I remember boring a lot of people with, uh, uh, questions constantly about my, it has

Stephen Drew19:26

to, it has to be done, right.

And everyone's, everyone goes through their part, freak, become an architect. So it's kind of what you have to do, but really. To hear that you had the support around you. We, the quick message popped in from Alex Johnson, who actually, I think Alex, me and Alex Mac, fruity Architecture, Social, and I'm glad that.

It's doing well in the office. And um, if, if anyone in the office says, why are you on YouTube? You are not looking at some random stuff. You are watching your practice online on the live stream. So for Alex, keep watching, I'm sure it'll be okay and glad to hear you're well, and we'll have to have a catch up and you'll have to let me know all the changes of what you think on the Architecture, Social, but that is the power of online.

Isn't it? That we all, we all met online. And here we are doing a live stream. So look, we're bringing it back, Angus. Well done and tune you park free. Was there a particular project that you you've been working on lately that you wanted to talk about? Cause I've got all the images here. Is there anything you want me to show on the screen?


Angus Clogg20:32

well, yeah, so Claudia Collins historically had been a commercial, mainly focused on commercial, residential. Um, and actually we had a public, we were venturing into the public sector with some of our projects at the time. And I actually talked to our maiden education project, uh, which is a public sector project.

We work closely with Oxford chair, um, county council. Um, it's called hammer one school, a very small little. Yeah, hammer man of school. I think a few

Stephen Drew21:01

images, but if not, yeah, yeah. What Han brow, right? I'm on that. I'm on, I'm on a gang. Here we go. So got a nice state of the sketch. Come in here. Let's bring it up on the screen.

It's like, oh, it's just me. Sorry, there we go. Got

Angus Clogg21:15

that. Um, so with, with hammer amount of school, we had an extremely small budget, um, which is kind of the norm when it comes to small, um, adaptations to state schools. So this is. Uh, primary, uh, state school-based sort of out in Oxfordshire countryside, lovely place called hambre along virtually.

Um, and yeah, basically. Build and provide, um, uh, further facilities. So the school could then expand, uh, with, uh, to react, to sort of its um, expanding population of longhand, bruh. Um, so more children coming in because more people are moving out to the city it's within, you know, an hour and 10 minutes from London.

I think it's an hour and 10 minutes from Birmingham as well. So it's kind of playing positioned. Um, so we were working with, uh, the council and uh, contracted clients. With this. And we have, like I said, had a very tight budget. So although when. You know, we weren't producing the incredible sculptures that, you know, um, some people are blessed to do because they have bottomless pockets.

Um, we produced something that was incredibly functional, um, and something that was very durable. And in, in time with the local context, basically, uh, we have sort of the color of brick, um, and adding some sort of model. Um, intervention sort of sitting on a sort of dot brick plant. So you'll see, it's very clean lines.

It's very simple shape, but the idea is the circulation through is, is very simple, but so straightforward and it's perfect for the teachers to negotiate a managed. Crazy children that will be in the, you know, running around, um, and having a good time. And, you know, we went to, um, one of the, we went to the opening.

Um, I represented the practice going to the opening and I had, I had just about finished all my part three work. So I'd handed that all in until. Yeah, to represent the practice doing this, um, and actually sort of, you know, uh, speaking to the teachers and them being very grateful that, of this building and how it functions.

So yeah, you see me on my climbing friends

Stephen Drew23:22

go happy and smiling.

Dominic Hailey23:26

Yeah. Um, but

Angus Clogg23:28

it, we saw it in people using it, the end user actually using it and enjoying it and the kids loving being taught in that facility. So that kind of told me that we were successful in what we produced. So, um, yeah, it was a really, really nice thing and very sort of, uh, yeah. Uh, what was the word?

Well, it's just, yeah, it was very nice to see that PDM

Stephen Drew23:50

rewarding and it's nice. Isn't it? 'cause so me, my school, it was summer. It was falling down. So it was probably, there's a tip off for you guys. If you look in Ponta Del as well, maybe check if it's been updated, but there was, it could be, I would, I love to school like this.

And so yeah, write it down. It would be, don't worry. We can rewatch it again. I'm going to bring up the link quickly again, because if anyone's interested in the work that's showing or it's interested by the practice, you can check out collateral calling. Drop them a message as well. I'm sure that down with the time with the projects, you see, you are looking for people to join as well.

So thanks Angus for sharing them and everyone should check out the website, but that probably brings me on to the next question, which I'd love to ask you guys. In terms of the team. So I can see the team dynamic. I can see a bit of fun banter as well. You've got awesome projects, which is great, and I love the different sectors, but in terms of the kind of person that works really well on the team, Um, maybe Dominic, I could throw this to you quickly, but what kind of cars, what kind of people do you think really fit in our clutter?

Colin's in terms of personality or ambition?

Dominic Hailey25:04

Th th the strange thing is that the people that really fit in are people that get on well with other people in a business, in a practice of our size. There's nowhere to hide you can't, you can't go sort of strutting around with your chest out, like a, like a posh Turkey and annoying people, because very quickly you find that.

No one wants to work with you anymore. Um, right. You know, we, we cherish the fact that within that 35 odd people, we have a really diverse skill set, you know? So we have people that, you know, we've been introduced to through, through you in the past, like Alex, you know, very technically focused as a technician.

Um, and we we've had people that are very kind of creatively focused, um, and through everything in sort of sketch up and, and by hand, Between us as a team, then we balance those things out there. There are always some sort of core fundamentals we look for in people. You know, we work entirely in rabbit for example, and is, you know, something that is increasingly the norm and, uh, you know, other CAD platforms are available for BBC balance.

Um, but that's the one we have placed, you know, you don't need to know it to learn it and we will we'll teach the skills that are missing, but the really important thing is. It's to fit in with the culture. Um, and it's a difficult one, you know, I, I hate to sit there and I do quite a lump number of interviews to sit there and say, well, we have this cultural, what is our culture?

And perhaps the, you know, the younger people in the room, couldn't speak about more than I can, what that might be. But from my point of view, what I try and engender in the teams I work with and the people I work with is a sense of responsibility. And autonomy. So, so that we're all heading in the same direction.

We're all trying to achieve the same thing, which is to deliver really great work, um, within normal working hours, wherever possible, um, which is kind of unusual for architects quite often. We'd we try not to have a culture of late working and that's going pretty well generally. Um, and, and to, to really enjoy what we're doing, because that comes through in the end product.

And a lot of that is about collaboration. I mean, you know, also has been working with me quite closely for a couple of years now through the seven weeks project, um, Angus has been working on a couple of projects that I've set teams up on, but, you know, he's, he's more at that junior level. So he doesn't get to talk to the old fogies, like me quite so much as a filter of someone like Carlos it between Angus and me.

Um, but I think they would both agree. And if they don't agree, they're fired, um, that we have. We have a real sense that we all know each other, we all trust each other and we can lean on each other, you know, and every now and again, someone will stumble, you know, things get stressful. Um, things don't work out at home.

People are unwell. Uh, so then we kind of step into make sure that that person, even if it takes months, can, can find a way back to being the kind of happy, confident, productive architect that we, we cherish in the practice. Very

Stephen Drew28:08

good. Very good. That's really useful. And I always think it's best to hear that from the architectural practice themselves.

So I think that if anyone out there it's, like you said that just learning a little bit of revenue, you don't need to be the Maestro before you try and buy that appetite to learn ads and the appetite on the project. I think as well as we've had conversations in the past as well, Dominic, when we've been looking and, you know, talking about people who are interested in different sectors or interested in, um, elderly living in retirement communities.

And I'll just bring up this quick image here, but this is basically the, the manifesto, the book, the PDF or the print, isn't it. It's not just a PDF. Yeah.

Dominic Hailey28:55

The other side, sorry to interrupt. Am I allowed to interrupt? I feel the other side to, to us as a practice is that we don't want to just do architecture.

You know, we're thinkers. We, we care. We have a kind of social responsibility as architects to bring forward something that works for the wider world. So between both the residential guide, you've got on screen here at the moment, which is, you know, it was an internal document about capturing. All the best things about making a good building, not just in terms of good design, but in terms of efficiencies, um, that was really directed towards, you know, the more we can make a building efficient and work for our admittedly commercial development clients, the more capacity they will have to offer affordable.

As a proportion of the viability of the project, the more viable we make it, the more affordable housing they can give reluctantly sometimes through gritted teeth. Um, but that is then down to the, the way it's assessed. And then the yellow book, the, the just living book was really a reaction to working in this sector where we wanted to understand the journey of an older person from.

Living in a family home, like, you know, like I do now, I've got my three kids around. At some point they're going to be hopefully grown up enough to fly the nest and I'll be left with this big crumbling empty pile of a house. Um, and I won't want to live here anymore. So where do I go then? You know, what, what happens to me?

And I want somewhere to look forward to living and I want to make that move positive. So this book was really. Uh, kind of reaction to a lot of the people that came to us as potential clients and said, wow, there's a great opportunity in this, this sexy role to people, you know, there's a lot of money to be made.

So how do we make the money? And it's like, well, you can start an operational business here. You make the money by getting the product right. And to get the product right. You have to understand the customer. So we spent the first, third of the book is, is interviews and learning about the reality for older people.

We visited. Huge number of developments. You know, we talked to a huge number. We interviewed staff, parents and other older people that we knew just to bring that together with them, with the commercial understanding, um, to, to put this book together, which has been really well received. It probably needs a refresh now with, you know, some of the new experiences we've had.

Um, but yeah. About what we're doing and, you know, support and environment and the culture, where if someone wants to think about that, then they can produce something out of that thought that we can share with the wider world, because it makes us.

Stephen Drew31:25

Excellent. Well, I'm quite excited for it. And I think we've actually given a nice overview.

And I think the point is, if people are curious at this point to look into collateral, Collins is work. You can track out the website, but you can also reach out to you guys as well. It's probably the last call in the audience. If anyone wants to ask a question for colada Collins, if I don't get a question, the next one or two minutes, we can, we can just organic.

Let the conversation unfold and close the podcast. But I do like to say there's not just a one sided conversation. I think it's been a bit dynamic, but it'd be unfair if I didn't say to you guys, is there any questions you have to me maybe in the wider architecture sphere, you know, I'm involved the rebar or I build the architecture.

So. Is there any questions you want to ask me? It's easier if you don't, but I'm more than happy if you do.

Dominic Hailey32:20

Yeah. I mean, it's always interesting to hear, you know, I know you sort of started out on your own Stephen and, uh, I'm making the Architecture Social thing really work. And when we spoke on the phone a couple of days ago, you say, you know, there are people out there looking for unicorns almost, you know?

Um, but it's always interesting to hear. You know what, I guess, what other practices are looking for, what other practices are driving for, um, and how you then kind of balance and offer people up to places in a way. Creates a good fit. I mean, what's your process like?

Stephen Drew32:57

Yeah. Good question. I think that there's a lot of architectural practices looking in general right now.

There's a lot of work there and I think that practices like yourself, which have made the, you know, the right decisions, protected, they staff is actually lots and lots of work. Um, I think it more than a time ever. I think my advice for architecture practices is. You really should be talking about company culture.

We should be talking about moving to employee owned practices. And I think people really want to know what it's like to work at the place, what projects they can get involved in, what they can get their teeth into. But as well as that also having human conversations about flexibility and flexibility to me is not about.

Can I do the minimum. It's more about conversations now of I have two children. Is it okay if I start earlier and finish it later? And I think that architecture practices, which are flexible, um, and, and they in return, they actually get almost more out of their staff, but they really help that person who has constraints in their personal life do the best in their professional lives.

So I think to answer your question and to bring it back. It's more about appealing to people at positions where they are in their career. And I think that I see recruitment changing. I don't see in the longer term, I see it more about this con these conversations. Uh, I don't really see my role in danger, but I, what I'm noticing is that the roles I work on Dominica more specific.

So it would be looking for a particular sector in an individual or looking for someone that can has a particular niche. So some of the roles I will take on at the moment are been consultants or strategic roles, or one of the practices I'm working with is they're setting up the London office. So it's a very clear role and trying to move away from conventional roles.

Part, for instance, part twos. I mean, I know I've worked on rows with you like that in the past, but I imagine now you've get in the more and more competitions that you're doing and the more and more the work gets out there and the words of, of your, your manifestors you books, then those roles, hopefully you won't need that support anymore because the word gets out.

And I think that's the way I see things going. And it's more important than ever to talk about company culture. I get it on the website. Websites are basically an online business card, but also talk about company's values. So that's why I appreciate you all talking about what you do and how you support your staff and how you saved Angus from getting too many gray has the ring.

Angus Clogg35:48

It's more gray eyebrows actually. I'll get,

Stephen Drew35:52

oh, there you go. I can get, I'm getting like the w w w the gray wings coming, but it comes through us all, but yeah, it's an interesting time. Thank you so much for being on the live stream. I know it's, sometimes it can be a bit overwhelming, but we've had a bit of fun and probably the last thing to bring up is I've got the website.

But how can everyone get in touch with you, Dominic? What's the best way someone could reach out

Dominic Hailey36:17

to yourself. I'm going to, I'm going to refer to Carlotta, who is our social media champion in the,

Carlota Boyer36:25

yeah, I think if you get through to us on either LinkedIn or Instagram, which we're, Collada Collins architects, um, and if not obviously through the website and an email, then yeah.

We'll happily be in touch.

Stephen Drew36:39

Love to. Brilliant. All right. The social media Maestro. Get in touch with Carlotta. Thank you everyone for being on here. So appreciate you joining the last Angus callouts and Dominic. I'm going to end the live stream. Just stay on the line and thank you for joining us and tune in on your lunch break.

I really appreciate it and stay in touch for more content coming in next week, Wednesday. Thank you everyone. And stay on the line guys, and we'll see you all soon. Take care. All right.